Project Appleseed

Road to Rifleman => Rifle / Ammo / Gear => Topic started by: UwharrieTrail40 on March 24, 2009, 03:08:54 AM

Title: How about this rifle for a LWT?
Post by: UwharrieTrail40 on March 24, 2009, 03:08:54 AM
I saw this rifle while browsing the CMP website. Looks sharp and has premo iron sights on it, including a global front iron sight. Its a Savage .22 bolt action.

http://www.thecmp.org/22targetcommercial.htm
Title: Re: How about this rifle for a LWT?
Post by: wcmartin1 on March 24, 2009, 08:29:20 AM
While these are highly accurate and will help improve your shooting they are single-shot actions and not the best choice for our purposes.

Also, I don't know what an LWT is, but an LTR is a Liberty Training Rifle.  <:)
Title: Re: How about this rifle for a LTR?
Post by: UwharrieTrail40 on March 24, 2009, 01:50:33 PM
Quote from: wcmartin1 on March 24, 2009, 08:29:20 AM
While these are highly accurate and will help improve your shooting they are single-shot actions and not the best choice for our purposes.

Also, I don't know what an LWT is, but an LTR is a Liberty Training Rifle.  <:)
Title: Re: How about this rifle for a LWT?
Post by: Francis Marion on March 24, 2009, 02:20:00 PM
Mark II-FVT is a magazine loading model.  No reason you couldn't use that one for AS purposes.  Sights are likely excellent, and sling mount hardware is already there. 

Looks like a fine target rifle, a great tool to log many hours at the range at low cost.  Chief complaint with nearly all factory-new 22 rifles sold in most sporting goods stores is that, whether semiauto or bolt action, their sights are atrocious. 

Countless motivations inform rifle purchases; this particular bolt action will serve the purpose of teaching new and experienced shooters how to improve and master position and technique.  The other 99.9% of 22s sold new are fine for chasing aluminum cans across the berm, but less well suited by design for precision target work.

AS goals, as far as shooting is concerned, are better served with a precision instrument.  We've all seen shooters frustrated by their buckhorn sighted 22s bought at the local sporting goods shop.  CMP target 22s, in contrast, are precision instruments.  Only 'drawback' is the bolt action design, which will require the operator to really manage implications to NPOA shot after shot. 
That 'drawback' is noticed most on timed courses of fire, such as AQT; the rest of the time, 99.99% of your life, you're shooting on your own at the range, free of time constraints. 


Title: Re: How about this rifle for a LWT?
Post by: wcmartin1 on March 24, 2009, 02:55:13 PM
A couple of shooters at our club ordered the single-shot models and are happy with their accuracy. 

I didn't realize they had magazine fed models as well and agree that, other than being bolt action, they might make a very nice LTR.

Then again, there are those out there that still prefer to drive stick.  ;)
Title: Re: How about this rifle for a LWT?
Post by: Buckshot on March 25, 2009, 12:06:49 AM
These are GREAT rifles with very decent sights.  Be aware that the rear sight is made of aluminum, and WILL NOT have the wearability of a steel sight.

Also, be aware that these rifles are almost IMPOSSIBLE to cut down due to the composite stock, and they are made for ADULTS, NOT KIDS.

The Savage Accu-trigger is a very good trigger in the age of the "lawyer trigger" and works as a two stage trigger like the M1, M14 and some of the target AR-15s.

I am NOT knocking the rifle for the sights, you CAN'T get a new steel sight, unless you pay more for the sight than this whole rifle, including sights, costs!

Because we deal with kids in our club Jr. Smallbore program, we bought the Savage Mk. II GY (youth model with hardwood stock) and then put a forearm rail in the foreend and mounted a Redfield 75 rear sight and Redfield Olympic smallbore front sight.

Works great for the kids, MUCH easier to modify with the hardwood stock.

Other than a lighter barrel, and the shorter stock, pretty much the same rifle with the sight upgrade.

You would want to install a blade front sight instead of an aperture front sight for Appleseed, where we use the aperture for NRA smallbore targets.

Buckshot
Title: Re: How about this rifle for a LWT?
Post by: slim on March 25, 2009, 05:59:59 AM
You also want to keep in mind we're going for 4 MOA with a rack-grade rifle and surplus ball ammo.

Anything more than that is splitting hairs.