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Road to Rifleman => Skill Sets of Shooting => Topic started by: CarrollMS on July 09, 2020, 05:01:08 PM

Title: Squatting Position
Post by: CarrollMS on July 09, 2020, 05:01:08 PM
I recently came across a challenge match that includes squatting as one of five positions. I cannot recall being trained in this position back in 69, but evidently it was in the manuals then-dropped for decades, and is now in a 2106 marksmanship TC.  There was an old thread on it here. - evidently Fred had mentioned it https://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=97.0

Here is the link to the 20-round five position challenge "postal" match. https://www.everydaymarksman.co/marksmanship/postal-match-five-position/

Here is a good description and discussion on it with the TC embedded
https://www.everydaymarksman.co/marksmanship/squatting-position-rifle/
Title: Re: Squatting Position
Post by: Captain on July 09, 2020, 05:58:30 PM
That looks like a fun challenge - thanks for posting!
Title: Re: Squatting Position
Post by: colonial shooter on July 09, 2020, 07:13:05 PM
The practice of "rice patty prone: was banned many many years ago due to safety issues. I would refrain from teaching/ mentioning it.
Title: Re: Squatting Position
Post by: Guntuckian on July 09, 2020, 11:14:07 PM
Quote from: colonial shooter on July 09, 2020, 07:13:05 PM
The practice of "rice patty prone: was banned many many years ago due to safety issues. I would refrain from teaching/ mentioning it.

What were the safety issues?
Title: Re: Squatting Position
Post by: colonial shooter on July 09, 2020, 11:34:57 PM
Mildly... No stability while firing the rifle
Title: Re: Squatting Position
Post by: ItsanSKS on July 10, 2020, 01:18:44 AM
The shooters stability depends on muscle tone, and flexibility.  Is it as stable as seated?  No.  Is it more stable than standing?  It can be.
Title: Re: Squatting Position
Post by: TimOren on July 11, 2020, 12:08:58 AM
To do rice paddy prone successfully, you've got to base it on  the Asian squat (https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/03/can-you-do-the-asian-squat/555716/), rather than a US style weight lifter's squat.  All the way down on your heels, index 45-60 degrees off the target, elbows forward of the knees, put as much of the load as possible through the calves into the feet.

I used this successfully in a number of tactical rifle matches.  Quick in and out, stability between kneeling and crossed ankle, and could solve a few tactical problems without going prone or full cross-legged sitting..  Never had any safety issues.  Then I messed up the mortise in my right ankle in an accident in '08, and I can't quite do it anymore, unless I prestage a wedge to support the right side, which sort of misses the point.

Title: Re: Squatting Position
Post by: malabar on July 11, 2020, 03:38:15 AM
I don't teach it in Appleseed, but I have in tactical classes. Very few people have the flexibility or lower leg strength to do it. But it has many advantages -- it's as mobile as kneeling; more steady than kneeling; transitions almost instantly into kneeling, allowing you to cover almost 360 degrees. And while it is not as stable s cross-legged seated, it's more stable than open-legged or crossed-ankles.

tk