I've installed the 10/22 Tech-Sight, but I'm having a problem: I'm aiming at the wrong post.
I'm having a lot of trouble seeing through the aperture, mainly from not being able to "turkeyneck" my eyeball and head where they need to be. As a result, I often end up sighting on the left or right "collar" instead of the center post. But I also often have this problem at the bench. I've painted the center post orange, but if I'm not in direct sunlight I still can't distinguish it from the rest of the sight.
I've never heard of this problem. I know it isn't poor eyesight, at least not in the conventional sense--my dominant eye is 20/15. I'm just not able to keep my aim on the center post.
What kind of stock is it? Standard, T6, other? I struggle to get a good sight picture with the T6 type stocks due to how they fit me.
Are you sighting off the left or right wing more frequently than the other?
Proper sight picture should allow you to see the entire front sight, both wings and the post. If you can't see the whole front sight assembly then you need to get your head farther forward so your eye is closer to the rear aperture. You said you're having trouble getting your head up that far, is that due to a physical limitation or is the stock hampering you?
Stretch your neck to its physical limit and then try moving your head until you achieve a good sight picture, the goal being your pupil over the center line of the stock and the stock supporting your head. Then make sure that that cheek weld is repeatable. If at that point the stock is not supporting your head enough and you feel you have the best sight picture you can achieve get out the cardboard and duct tape and make the stock fit you.
Ben
My eye is less than 2" from the rear aperture when I shoot my 10/22. It sounds like you are WAY too far back....
Agreed. If you have the proper "eye relief" you should be able to see the post and both guards. Is the stock too long for you? Agreed on the tapco stock too, They suck for cheek weld/ sight alignment.
Sounds like a stock fit issue to me as well.
I like the Ruger stocks myself. I've had no problem transitioning from one of them to an AR stock. The TAPCO T-6 is a waste of good money for something you don't need, and might work against you.
I prefer a little longer stock, so I am using Hogue rubber overmolded on mine. It also helps to keep my hand in place.
Quote from: Antibubba on February 19, 2009, 03:45:52 AM
I'm having a lot of trouble seeing through the aperture, mainly from not being able to "turkeyneck" my eyeball and head where they need to be.
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I know it isn't poor eyesight, at least not in the conventional sense--my dominant eye is 20/15. I'm just not able to keep my aim on the center post.
Just checking... you are not cross-eye-hand dominant are you? e.g., right handed but your dominant eye is your left?
To check: with both eyes open hold your forefingers out, one back like a rear sight and one forward like a font sight and line them up. Then close your left eye. If they stay aligned your right eye is your dominant eye, if they appear to jump apart then your left eye is your dominant eye.
Such individuals usually end up trying to put the head way back to get the cross-dominant eye a chance of seeing the post. Hence way back, only see part of the front sight and get the wrong part. If you are right handed put tape on your left eye glasses lens and try again.
Otherwise.... I'll have to go think on that...
Cheers
Phil
PS really looking forward to seeing you again in April at Sacramento or elsewhere on the trek northwards on the CA trail.
PPS Taping your glasses is the first step in training your eyes to match your hands. The alternative is to relearn to shoot "other handed". One or the other has to give if you are cross-dominant.
Quote from: V on February 19, 2009, 01:31:06 PM
Just checking... you are not cross-eye-hand dominant are you? e.g., right handed but your dominant eye is your left?
PPS Taping your glasses is the first step in training your eyes to match your hands. The alternative is to relearn to shoot "other handed". One or the other has to give if you are cross-dominant.
If I recall correctly, we taped his right eyeglass lens at the 'seed. He is left-handed, right eye dominant. Good catch V.
~SS
My suggestion would be to learn to shoot Right Handed in this case.
I've gone through this with 2 shooters that were cross eye dominant. My son (a lefty, right eye) and my girlfriend (righty, left eye). They will eventually do better using the maaster eye.
Quote from: Nickle on February 19, 2009, 03:19:07 PM
My suggestion would be to learn to shoot Right Handed in this case.
I've gone through this with 2 shooters that were cross eye dominant. My son (a lefty, right eye) and my girlfriend (righty, left eye). They will eventually do better using the maaster eye.
Hey Nickle. He tried that too, at the Sacramento Appleseed. He couldn't get it worked out.
I am cross dominant also, (right handed, left eye) I can't get myself coordinated enough to shoot weak handed. So, I close my left eye when I get into prone with my M1A and I clang steel at two, three, four and five hundred yards more often than I don't. When I don't it is because of those darn gremlins. !@#)
Hey, I'm not saying it can't be done, because it's been done for years now.
You can force the use of the weak eye.
You can learn to shoot using the master eye.
Optics is another alternative.
Some things work for some folks, and not others.
Sounds like this guy has multiple problems, and eye dominance is one of them.
I think some serious coaching is in order. This will be one of the tough ones.
QuoteHey, I'm not saying it can't be done, because it's been done for years now.
No kiddin'... Back in the dark ages before Appleseed, well heeled shooters could have special stocks made with a bowed butt stock....That would allow them the ability to shoot "cross dominant".
Nowadays we have Appleseed and the wealth of knowledge to help coach shooters to overcome this stumbling block.....Although I do sometimes think about carving a bowed stock for one of my loaners...But I'd probably just carve it wrong........
Wheeler44
But I'd probably just carve it wrong........
Naw.....you'd be ok on it....just have to make two of them....one for righties, one for lefties......
Be good!
LLP
QuoteJust checking... you are not cross-eye-hand dominant are you? e.g., right handed but your dominant eye is your left?
QuoteIf I recall correctly, we taped his right eyeglass lens at the 'seed. He is left-handed, right eye dominant. Good catch V.
Yup, left hand/right eye. And that's the way I'm trying to shoot. But I was having this trouble a few weeks ago, at the range, shooting from the right shoulder and right-eyed,
while seated at the bench! ???
I'm going to try a few more sessions, but I might need some
very basic rifle training to work out the "why". I'll have to learn to crawl before I learn to walk, I guess.
Pick up an eye patch and train the left eye, it may take awhile but that is what I have had to do so my wife can shoot !
I did get an eye patch; but my left eye is about 20/25, and the target is a bit fuzzy. My right eye, the dominant one, was LASIK corrected 7 years ago, and is 20/15. I just need to practice more.