I have two 795's. They have attended nearly 20 events in every conceivable weather... from 10 below zero to the 90's... from driving rain to snow... they have been used and abused and used some more.
I used to clean them regularly.. but I admit I have not cleaned them in over a year.
They both have boydes stocks and one of them has a DIP trigger guard and blade.
No part has ever been replaced due to failure. The only part I ever replaced was an extractor on one of them. I replaced that trying to fix constant failure to eject... turns out it was some gunk that was causing it... point being: with a probable round count near 7k and possibly more... no breakages on any part.
My plans (not necessarily in this order)
1. Clean the crap out of them.
2. MCARBO trigger job
3. Replace extractor, spring and pin
4. Replace recoil spring and guild rod
5. Replace scopes ( both have cheap wallyworld scopes that are beat to crap)
6. Shoot the crap out of them and repeat the above 5 Year's from now... :)
7. Add DIP guard and blade to the other rifle.
I will post pics as I go. So, check back...
First thing I noticed: Look at the difference in color between the right side of the stock (Ill call it the sunny side) and the left side of the stock.
This rifle has spent its fair share of time on the line.(//)
New recoil spring vs original. The original has nearly 1/2 inch in compression.
If the scopes are functional I would leave them there until a non rifle owner drops them.
I have two 795's. One I use myself and 1 to beat up on. You will be pleased with the Mcarbo spring kit. Cheap and reliable. The original trigger guards suck. I fixed one with epoxy and it is still in use on the beater. Broke near the rear screw like all the others out there.
Speaking of the....
I started pulling apart #2..
I like it.
I've put the MCARBO springs and the DIProducts trigger on my personal rifle, and it's down to a smooth, crisp 2.75 LB pull.
That said, I've gone out shooting with friends and had them shoot their stock Marlin, and my rifle, and not everyone notices the difference - at least not right away. It feels pretty much the same when you're jerking that trigger back, and that's a hard habit to break sometimes.
Some grit and grime for you. ::) Very embarrassing!
Oh, wow! You might need a hazmat suit for this cleanup job. :2t ;)
Hehe... your not kidding...
While reassembling #1, I noticed this crack in the Boyds stock. You can see it there on the right... It does go all the way through. I don't think this will affect function...
I wonder if Boydes would do anything for that. Doubtful as its been well used.
I would at least call them, worst they can say is no. There appears the be another crack starting on the other side. If they won't replace it I would grind out the cracks some and epoxy them before the whole piece falls out.
Thanks for sharing. I love projects like this.
Following with interest. I think either a 795 or a 60 will be my next purchase.
Quote from: Laredo on January 04, 2018, 03:46:41 PMWhile reassembling #1, I noticed this crack in the Boyds stock. You can see it there on the right... It does go all the way through. I don't think this will affect function...
I wonder if Boydes would do anything for that. Doubtful as its been well used.
You should definitely call Boyds. That's a laminate stock and shouldn't crack. Livi deserves better. !@#)
Quote from: leadslinger66 on January 05, 2018, 11:47:18 PM
Following with interest. I think either a 795 or a 60 will be my next purchase.
I have a 60 as well. The internals are identical to the 795 except tube fed. For AS purposes the tube is a pain in the ars and I would strongly recommend against it. If it's not for AS... the 60 is great fun. Last I checked, the tube holds more than the box mag. I know the old model 60's from the 80's and before hold something like 18 rounds... I think the modern ones hold 12 or 15...
Update on Boydes: I emailed them with pictures. I'll let you know what they say.
Reassembled #1...without mcarbo... all other parts replaced. I'll put the mcarbo in next week.
Love the close ups... it's clean and you can tell it's been well used. Nothing speaks to me like well used gear! It's better than napalm in the morning...
Assembled. I still crack up at the color fade on the sunny side.
Sunny side
On to number 2. Same color fade. This stock was purple out of the box. The sunny side has faded to pink
Quote from: DrRichP on January 06, 2018, 02:17:41 AM
Quote from: Laredo on January 04, 2018, 03:46:41 PMWhile reassembling #1, I noticed this crack in the Boyds stock. You can see it there on the right... It does go all the way through. I don't think this will affect function...
I wonder if Boydes would do anything for that. Doubtful as its been well used.
You should definitely call Boyds. That's a laminate stock and shouldn't crack. Livi deserves better. !@#)
She does! ...most of the time...
Below is Boyds response. I am not surprised... but a little miffed they couldn't at least make a recommendation. I find it hard to believe they can make them... and not have any idea how to repair them...
Hello,
Thank you for contacting Boyds Gunstocks. Please allow me to apologize that there issues with the stock. Our warranty period covers 90 days. At this time I do not have information available to me on how to fix a crack. I would recommend consulting with a gunsmith.
Sincerely,
Customer Service
That is disappointing from Boyd's. I have the same stock on my 795. Something to keep an eye out for sure it looks like.
I would suggest that if you do put epoxy of some sort that it be the flexible stuff. Would hate for it to act like a weld on metal and see cracks surround the repair due to repair being a harder/stiffer material.
"Repairing" wooden stocks:
You've gotten some pretty good use out of that stock, I'd say :)
For issues with inletting (like your split), I've had tremendous success with Brownell's Acraglas.
They make Acraglas Gel as well. Very durable (nearly indestructable!), and it doesn't shrink when it cures.
Acraglas here: https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/stock-work-finishing/stock-bedding-adhesives/acraglas--prod1033.aspx (https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/stock-work-finishing/stock-bedding-adhesives/acraglas--prod1033.aspx)
Acraglas Gel: https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/stock-work-finishing/stock-bedding-adhesives/acraglas-gel--prod1038.aspx (https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/stock-work-finishing/stock-bedding-adhesives/acraglas-gel--prod1038.aspx)
Thanks a million - I will check that out.
Quote from: Laredo on January 06, 2018, 11:49:07 AM
Quote from: leadslinger66 on January 05, 2018, 11:47:18 PM
Following with interest. I think either a 795 or a 60 will be my next purchase.
I have a 60 as well. The internals are identical to the 795 except tube fed. For AS purposes the tube is a pain in the ars and I would strongly recommend against it. If it's not for AS... the 60 is great fun. Last I checked, the tube holds more than the box mag. I know the old model 60's from the 80's and before hold something like 18 rounds... I think the modern ones hold 12 or 15...
I have both models. I use my 795s for loaners at events, but when I shoot, even at AS, I shoot my 60. I've qualified with it many times, both by the numbers and Rapid-fire. Just takes practice. I get a personal kick out of the additional challenge of running the AQT with a tube-feeder. I've had several shoot-bosses do the eye-roll ;D but I'm a stubborn broad, and I love my 60s!
I have two 795s, and two 60s. The older model 60 (referred to as "Squirrel" because of the lil' squirrel stamped on the stock) is a pre-1970, and holds 18 rounds. It's my "distance" .22. The newer one (called "Not Squirrel" - self explanatory :cool2:) is an early 80s model, and holds 16 rounds. Post-88 model 60s only hold 14.
The attached pic is "Not Squirrel," in his Boyd's stock.
Leadslinger, you can't lose either way! And you should see the AQT run rapid-fire with a tube feeder. It's a trip!
I can imagine a bit of a rush in qualifying rapid fire with a tube fed rifle.
"Not Squirrel" is one handsome rifle in that thumb hole stock!
Quote from: leadslinger66 on January 11, 2018, 09:34:18 PM
I can imagine a bit of a rush in qualifying rapid fire with a tube fed rifle.
"Not Squirrel" is one handsome rifle in that thumb hole stock!
It's fun, that's for sure!
And thank you kindly, sir! I love that dang thing. It's possible I have more pics in my phone of my rifles than I do of my dogs... or my kids, now that I think about it.... #)
That model 60 in the Boyds stock has a great look! Love it.
A lot of hunting rifles have a piece of brass rod through the stock crosswise as reinforcement.
Some heavy recoiling rifles have a bolt through the stock.
The section your stock cracked in looks to be very thin. If you can put the rifle in a vise and squeeze it just enough to close the crack. Then drill a hole crosswise insert a thin piece of brass rod, cut it off leaving about 1/8 to 1/4 extra rod on each side. Then peen the ends of the rod to expand the rod and hold the crack shut.
Make sure the hole you drill is a tight fit for the rod. Check it in some scrap wood.
Retract the drill often to clear the wood from the drill's spiral gullet.
Be very gentile when about to break out of the other side of the stock so you dont chip the wood as the bit comes through. If the bit is pulling itself through the wood you will get chips.
If the wood chips, save the chip and glue it back in place.
Keep the crack closed shut until done peening the brass,
Use a back up hammer on the other side of the brass than the one you are swinging at.
Hit the brass from both sides to swell both ends evenly.
Stop beating on the brass before it gets flush with the wood. Then file brass away until flush with the wood.
Sand to smooth the surface, and dab some finish on to hide scuffs.
Post was made in stock making 101 form so folks with little experience can do a nice job.
I would apply some Thin CA glue ( Cyanoacrylates ) super glue to the cracks before putting it in the vise.
Super glue would not be horrible, but I would choose a glue that gives some working time.
There are may good wood glues, right now, my first choice would be Titebond III, mostly because I have a bottle handy. I would use Elmer's if that's what was handy.
Epoxies are good too, including acuraglass.