I am looking for a scope for my 10-22. Need some suggestions. I was looking at a burnell banner 1-4x32. Light and not to expensive. My price range up to approx. 150.00 approx. thanks
Mueller APVs are always a good choice in that price range. Paid $125 for mine a few years ago.
http://muelleroptics.com/mapv451440
Also, they're discontinued now but the old Nikon Prostaff fixed 4-power rimfire scopes are truly outstanding. If you can find one, they're hard to beat.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/149715/nikon-prostaff-classic-rimfire-rifle-scope-4x-32mm-nikoplex-reticle-with-3-8-dovetail-rings-matte
When selected budget-priced equipment, check the manufacturer's warranty. Bushnell, Nikon, and Vortex all offer limited lifetime warranties. Amazon is listing the Nikon P223 scope for 149.00 with free Prime shipping. I've become a fan of the Vortex Optics Crossfire II 2-7x32, which is available at $129.
Scope position is critical. On the 10/22, you want the scope as low as you can get it (so low or medium height rings). You also want it pushed forward so you can get proper eye relief. The most effective way to do that is what's called an extended scope mount. EGW and Volqartsen both make one for the 10r/22. There may be other manufacturers as well.
One last note on scope selection. Many shooters find they outgrow the Ruger 10/22 and move on to centerfire shooting (AR15, etc). If you might go down this path, consider selecting a scope that is not marketed as a dedicated "rimfire" scope. You'll have more flexibility in the future!
I have several of the Vortex Diamondback 2-7 rimfire scopes.
The standard solution for you is the Nikon ProStaff 3-9x40 Rimfire scope, which sells for around $120, less when you can catch one on sale. The biggest issue for Appleseed and any position shooting is getting the scope far enough forward, especially for prone. I find that putting the rear edge of the scope even with the rear edge of the receiver works well for proper eye relief. Depending on the specifics of your position, you may even want it a little farther forward.
I just installed one of these scopes on a 10/22 Takedown for a customer. I used a UTG Pro rail ($20) and a Primary Arms extended 1" scope mount ($60) for the above Nikon scope. The critical requirement was a detachable mount that could fit in the third pocket of the Takedown carry bag. This setup worked perfectly.
I have had good luck with the Simmons 8-point fixed 4x scope. The glass is clear and 4x is kind of the sweet spot (for me) for shooting at 25 meters. Plenty strong enough to easily see the v ring on the Stage 4 targets without being so zoomed in that I get caught up fussing the shot. The click adjustments are a little mushy, but it definitely gets the job done and has not lost zero yet. Also, it is easy on the wallet at about $30. http://www.simmonsoptics.com/riflescopes/8-point.aspx
About scopes for .22's- When my eyes started to not enable me to use tech sights any more, I bought a Tasco 3x9 at Walmart for my 10/22, and it works perfectly. I think it was about $39 on a special sale. I feel it unnecessary to put a high dollar optic on a common .22. MTCW
another vote for the mueller APV
AO is important for the switching between various positions, as it is practically impossible to end up with the eye in identical spot through standing/ sitting /prone
If you don't have a tight deadline for the scope purchase date, you should have some great options. I have been seeing appropriate scopes going on sale frequently.
When my GF April and I were looking for scopes for our rifles, we went to the large retailers and starting looking through scopes. Sometimes we agreed on which ones we liked and other times we didn't. Choosing the right glass for you is personal. What do YOUR eyes prefer. There are some scopes that I would not want to look through for several hours a day during an AS.
We have seen her Vortex Diamondback 2-7 on sale for about the price range you specify. Great scope.
Fireman Bob's notes on scope position were exactly correct for me.
I also had to use a Magpul X22 stock to get the LOP and cheek riser height I needed.
The Simmons 3-9 scopes are decent and cheap. Go for the AO option. If I remember Amazon has them for about 80 bucks. I have several on loaner rifles that take a beating.
:cool2:Maximum Ordinate mentioned extended mounts. I know the one I have works, but it is the Volquartsen and requires holes drilled in the barrel for a mount, or a pricey Volquartsen barrel.
I shoot almost all my rifles as if they were an M1 Garand/AR15 and put my nose on the charging handle (or in the case of the M1, on my thumb behind the heel of the receiver).
This is an ISSUE with the 10/22. I have the Nikon Rimfire Prostaff 3x9, and while it is a great rimfire optic, it kinda sucks for a 10/22. Reason being the eye relief. This is even with the Volquartsen cantilever barrel mount.
Standing is not a problem. Prone is OK....Seated I get a black ring and that bothers me. I still shoot very well with the rifle, but it is a nuisance. If you want an idea as to what that looks like, check my post in here on CMP RIMFIRE SPORTER. I have a picture of the finished rifle (all the way at the end of the thread....as things changed)....it is still not as FWD as I would prefer.
I had been considering removing my DNZ 3 inch cantilever offset mount with a Vortex Viper PST 1x4 optic from my spare service rifle, that looks to maybe give me an extra 1/2 inch. But I have it zero'd now and will not be able to verify this until I get back from Camp Butner in a week or 2.
I am somewhat shying away from the above idea, as the Vortex Viper PST 1x4 has a dot....and I know that dot is larger than the simple duplex crosshairs in my Nikon. Something else to consider when getting an optic.
Consider what distances you intend to shoot. For Appleseed AQT stuff and CMP Rimfire Sporter....a scope parallax free at 25 or 50 yards is perfect. For other work, such as Rimfire PRS (shooting out to 300 yards) an AO would be a better choice.
Stocks can help with the eye relief as well. The Magpul X22 stock is LOP adjustable and a spacer or two may assist with the eye relief.
As stated.....LOW as possible to the receiver and as FWD as possible. Try to avoid the long tube optics as they will not help at all with the eye relief on a standard receiver mount, that includes the Nikon Rimfire Prostaff 3x9 40MM.
You can adjust to make anything work....but if your starting from scratch, may as well take the time to get it done right.
I have a post in this section about the AR15 and Optics. It may assist you as well.
How do we check eye relief and the proper mount of the scope?
Mount it....level it, center it. Then.....get slung up and in the seated position. With eyes closed....shoulder the rifle in seated. Open eyes.....is the sight alignment (AKA crosshairs) CRISP, CLEAR and IMMEDIATE? Immediate meaning...you don't need to move your head to see down the tube of the optic? Even the slightest bit of head movement would be unacceptable to me with say an AR15.
Likely for most choices out there that answer will be NO.
It can be YES, but that requires one to truly research a scope and mount for the 10/22 that will allow for CRISP, CLEAR and IMMEDIATE sight alignment when in seated.
Hope the above helps and please keep us posted on your choice of optic and mount.
Edited to add a pic of my Sporter rifle with the Nikon Prostaff 3x9 and provide link to the post on the AR15 and optics. GREAT info in there on some of the things mentioned in this thread.
https://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=50014.0
R/
Chris
My .22 rifle scopes are mostly fixed power, 4x, 6x, or 24x. None is easy to get anymore. But there are a number of choices that will meet your general needs from Nikon, Vortex, Burris, and others. $150 should get you a good scope that will last for decades if properly cared for. 2-7 Nikon with Duplex would be good and is often available for $120.
Mike
I have had excellent results with a Weaver RV-9, 3-9X33, AO scope mounted first on my Ruger 1022 and then on my CZ-452. The AO feature allows very fine focusing on the 25 meter target and the selling point for me was the 12 ounce weight. The cost is a bit out of your proposed budget but maybe think long term??
Cheers
Dave
I really like Weavers as well. My CZ is topped by a V-16 that I'll never part with.
+1 on the Weaver RV-9. This scope's been around a long time (read "proven") - its good glass, small, lightweight, generous eye relief and adjustments are accurate. Aside from the price being a bit higher than you are looking to spend, the only negative (and not much of one from my standpoint) is that you need to use a coin, small screwdriver or something similar to adjust the turrets. Knowing that I bought a second one. You can't go wrong with this scope.
Yup, the RV-9 scope has served me well through 2 Appleseed events. I was a bit concerned about the possibility of Magnification / POA - POI changes as I had selected to use 5X magnification only for my first event and did not change it during the 2 day event. I wanted to know if going up to 8X or 9X would change anything so I took the rig out to Ben Avery for a test. I could not discern any change in POA - POI over the 3X - 9X magnification range with my Weaver RV-9. Image shows results of 5 round groups at different magnifications. YMMV
Cheers
Dave
I really endorse everything Maximum Ordinate said above. A good 4x centerfire scope mounted with a weaver type rail and rings is the best combination I have found in terms of quality lens, staying in place with repeated firing, eye relief, and possible use on other rifles. I also like Nikon scopes. As MO also noted, try to mount the scope as low as possible to allow good cheek meld. The above combination can easily be purchased in your price range and will be a quality long term investment.
Recently purchased a replacement optic for my rimfire sporter 10/22.
I had the Nikon Rimfire Prostaff 3x9 40mm on the rifle. I thought it may be too long for proper eye relief as I get a little grey in seated. I have a cantilever barrel scope mount base...so it gets the scope about 1 1/2" more forward, but still not enough for me.
Additionally, the BDC reticle in the Nikon is too busy for me.
I picked up a Leupold VX-1 Rimfire scope, 2x7 28MM. The fine duplex crosshairs are exactly what I was looking for. They will allow for a finer sight picture against the aiming white of the sporter target.
But...still have not solved the eye relief issue.
I think what I have scheduled for delivery tomorrow will fix that. Tactical Solutions has manufactured a scope base that has a 1 3/4" offset. It is called the Tactical Solutions Edge. They designed it specifically to address my issue.
The mount costs like $80 but will be well worth it to me if it cures my grey in the seated position. I am confident it will.
They also advertise it as a "return to zero" mount. I DOUBT that to be true....cause I have had not so much luck with those claims with one exception. My Larue mount on the AR10 is a true return to zero mount, but it costs a lot.
I'm sure it will keep me on paper, and that is good enough for me. Got the same mount for my daughters rifle as well. Will be good for her, as I will be able to remove optic and get her on irons when we need to.
R/
Chris
Chris,
As I'm sure you know, it is not unusual for a shooter's eye to be a little closer to the scope in the seated position vs prone. I'm interested to see if the additional eye relief gained in the new scope base solves the issue for you while still allowing a clear sight picture in prone.
For me (and my scope experience is relatively limited in AS events), I found the eye relief issue could be dealt with in seated by positioning my body orientation to be more squared up and less bladed, to keep my body more behind the rifle and my eye thus not as close to the glass. This made it tough to get a good NPOA in the standard cross-legged position, but I was able to do so via a modified cross-ankle position. Here, my legs are nearly straight and on the ground, left ankle over right, knees slightly bent. I lock the lower part of my upper arms (just above the elbows) in front of my knee-caps and it is very stable. I also find it faster to get into this position during the transition from standing than the standard seated position.
Credit for figuring this position out goes to Todd Dow up in Washington State. His blog, http://artoftherifle.com/ details this position and includes photos. With a scoped Sako bolt-action rifle in 30-06 with two 4-round mags, was able to shoot a nearly perfect KD, single loading one round after emptying each mag. He posted a video of him shooting Stage 2 on youtube somewhere, and it was extremely impressive to see how quickly he could get it done. :bow:
NJRefugee,
Appreciate the response.
I can say that with my AR15 competition rifle I do not have the issue at all in seated or prone. It was there when I only had a 2 inch offset mount. It went away when I added the 3 inch offset mount.
It is only grey in seated....and I am fairly confident that the 1 3/4" offset will solve the issue. The eye relief on the scope is over 3 inches...., so....plenty of eye relief.
I could adjust my seated position to make it work, but why bother when there is a mount that could solve the issue and allow me to address the rifle basically the same for all 3 positions?
I will know for sure tomorrow afternoon....and will post pics up of position and the rifle for all to see whether or not it works.
R/
Chris
All makes sense to me! Pls publish the results.
I probably don't shoot in the same kind of competitions that you do, but I do some of the Run 'n Gun events here in TX and also in OK. I generally set my adjustable AR stock at position 3 for general use (barricades, standing, moving around), but open it up to 4 for precision or long-shot stages shot from prone. My Vortex Viper PST is only 1-4x and has a 4" eye relief, so it's not a big deal but the extra length in prone does help a little bit when my eye is more forward and I'm at 4x. Once I forgot that I had the stock fully collapsed on a 500 yard stage. Realized this when I hit the turf and looked through what appeared to me to be a soda straw and had practically zero field of view! But I was on the clock so just shot the stage that way. Pretty stressful but no time to fiddle with the equipment at that point. I did shoot one of the fastest times of the day though!
Quote from: NJrefugee on May 12, 2017, 12:33:09 PM
Credit for figuring this position out goes to Todd Dow up in Washington State. His blog, http://artoftherifle.com/ details this position and includes photos.
Wow, I had browsed through his website a while back, but didn't really pay attention. Talk about a rabbit hole... I just spent 45 minutes there. LOL. Lots of stuff to chew on.
Tell me about it. I was on vaca when I first saw the blog and spent most of a week reading it. Didn't even get half way through! Tons of really good content in there.
A few years ago a few months before I attended my first Appleseed I went to the range to site in my AR and a couple 10/22s. It did not take me long to figure out that my eyes were not what they used to be and if I wanted to shoot well I was probably going to have to use a scope.
I did not want to spend too much not knowing how well I would like a scope on my AR.
Went to Amazon and found this scope. Less than $80.00 delivered to AK. Bought two one for the AR and one for a 10/22.
Did not think it would hold up that well on the AR. Well that was about 5,000 rounds and six Riflemen ago, (one being me).
I have even tried it on an AR 10 about 500 rounds.
Not one negative issue. None.
https://www.amazon.com/UTG-3-9X32-BugBuster-Scope-Mil-dot/dp/B005UGIMNQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1494644110&sr=8-1&keywords=bug+buster+scope
My wife was having a hard time getting her proper sight picture due to scope placement on her 10/22, I found a very solid alternative to the EGW and Volqartsen extended rails. It is made by Outer Impact and costs $34.
https://outerimpact.com/shop/ruger-10-22-picatinny-rail-with-0-moa/ (https://outerimpact.com/shop/ruger-10-22-picatinny-rail-with-0-moa/)
This scope and setup on the 10/22 works awesome!
The grey is GONE!
Now...the Tactical Solutions base would not mount to my daughters rifle with the standard Ruger base. I ordered the Tac Sol base for like $30 for her rifle.
Crystal Clear and Immediate sight pic in all positions.
Slow Prone..., If I do not address the rifle the same way every time, I will get a tad bit of grey, but it is manageable, and manageable to the point I can adjust a little bit to get rid of it.
SCOPE REVIEW:
CRYSTAL clear glass....very nice fine duplex reticle. Only complaint is that it came with 2 windage dials! The Elevation turret is marked for windage vice elevation. No big deal..., not bothered enough by it to ship it back.
GREAT choice for an Appleseed 25M AQT or CMP Rimfire Sporter 50 yard optic. I would never recommend it for any KD/UKD work. The clicks are not very distinct, and it is just not meant for that. Perfect however for a rifle you zero and leave alone....exception for 1 click once in awhile.
R/
Chris