Our local gunshop recently had a Winchester M100 rifle in .308 that I looked at. In doing some research, I found that Winchester manufactured a carbine version of this rifle. I was wondering if anyone had any experience with the carbine or rifle versions. I imagine that the muzzle blast and recoil on the carbine might be a little stout but probably less than a Remington 600 in .308. I was also wondering if any model of Tech sights might fit on it without major modification. Anyone familiar with it?
Have shot them in 243 and 308 rifle versions. Recoils similar to a M1. Latest one I shot had Williams rear peep sights. Great hunting arm. Only catch is they have no manuel bolt catch. They will only lock open with an empty mag.
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We have two model 100s in the family. In fact I went with my dad in 1964 when he bought his. The other was bought used 20 years later. Both have taken quite a few deer. From what I understand is they evolved from the M1 Garand/M14 gas system. Recoil is not too bad though ours are both rifles, not carbines.
I don't know about putting Tech Sights on them, ours have scopes. The top of the receiver is drilled and tapped similar to a 10/22, though is longer. You might be able to mount a 10/22 Tech Sight by drilling and tapping holes farther back. Or perhaps mounting a Marlin TS on a scope rail and the front on the barrel.
That would be an interesting project. Model 100s are seldom cheap anymore.
It's just in the if I had a bunch of money hanging around doing nothing stage right now. But if I can find the right rifle/carbine for the right price......
Quote from: olefido on October 17, 2013, 09:27:13 PM
It's just in the if I had a bunch of money hanging around doing nothing stage right now. But if I can find the right rifle/carbine for the right price......
A carbine version would command big bucks I would imagine, though you could always have a rifle version cut down I suppose. Five round mags are standard, don't think higher cap ones are available.
If you Google "M100 Carbine" Images, you get lots of pics of carbines and rifles both. Some have what appear to be 10 round mags. Obviously, they are not standard, but they may be had one way or t'other.
Herters made a 10 round mag for the model 88/100. Set you back about $150 on the bay when they show up.
Twin Pines makes a standard 4 round magazine $62 at Brownells.
For the cost of mags alone a PTR91 build would justify itself. If Model 100 prices are any where near 88 prices the gun itself would be cheaper as well.
Also the shape of the stock make the percieved recoil higher. The semi auto may take up some of that.
They are a nice looking gun. From a cost stand point there are many other more economical choices that would perform as well or better.
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I can't hunt with a semi-auto in PA so I follow the lever action M88. in the condition of the one in the pic it would be $1300-1700 for the carbine $800-1000 for the rifle length. What are the M100 bringing?
My stepdad has killed a lot of deer with his M88. Great deer rifle and plenty accurate - 1.5 MOA @ 100 yards with factory ammo. I wonder how much they'd cost new if made today?
Mas Ayoob mentioned the M100 in a story a while back. He said he used one for running deer matches at local clubs, and they were the most popular rifle on the line, but parts broke regularly when shot much. He seemed to think it was fine for hunting, but lacked durability for much shooting.
Does anyone make a .22lr version of the Garand or was there some kind of training rifle for it. My goal here was to find a combination of centerfire and rimfire rifles that have the same basic constuction and hopefully nearly the same controls such as safety, mag release, etc. to facilitate training and transition ease outside of the AR style platforms. The M100 seemed like it would fit the bill somewhat with the 10/22. Maybe the next thing to do is to see if Ruger would put out a centerfire rifle version of the 10/22 in .223. The mini-14 is close and I have never owned one although I do shoot them every year at work for qualification. The accuracy beyond 100-200 yards seems iffy although that may have more to do with the abuse the rifles at work take.
The training rifle used in the Garand time frame was the Remington 513T, which bore no real resemblance to the M1. Sad, but true.
A 10/22, modified slightly (bolt release and sling), with Tech Sights is close enough. There are differences, but none are that serious to prevent or hinder transition.
Quote from: Nickle on November 29, 2013, 08:23:06 PM
The training rifle used in the Garand time frame was the Remington 513T, which bore no real resemblance to the M1. Sad, but true.
An awesome rifle, nonetheless. I did my serious learnin' on a 513T of Korean war vintage, a club rifle bought from the CMP way back when. Tens of thousands of rounds (100s?) through it, with little maintenance, and still a sweet and steady shooter. The globe sights seem to be easier on the aging eyes than a post - YMMV.
I have to agree with that. I've got a 513T, not even remotely thinking about turning it loose.
Quote from: olefido on November 29, 2013, 11:20:41 AM
Does anyone make a .22lr version of the Garand or was there some kind of training rifle for it. My goal here was to find a combination of centerfire and rimfire rifles that have the same basic constuction and hopefully nearly the same controls such as safety, mag release, etc. to facilitate training and transition ease outside of the AR style platforms. The M100 seemed like it would fit the bill somewhat with the 10/22. Maybe the next thing to do is to see if Ruger would put out a centerfire rifle version of the 10/22 in .223. The mini-14 is close and I have never owned one although I do shoot them every year at work for qualification. The accuracy beyond 100-200 yards seems iffy although that may have more to do with the abuse the rifles at work take.
During world war II There was a Reising .22 trainer. I belive it was manafactured by marlin. The stock was Garand shaped. The action was operated by pushing a rod that extended forward of the action accesed by a slot cut in the forearm.
I have had the oppertunity to handle a few of them owned by a freind, Jeff Reising who passed away some years ago.
Unlike the 513 remington the accuracy was not top notch.
Jeff's uncle was the desinger of both the Reising .22 training rifle and the Reising submachine gun.
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Both look nice.
If you're looking for a CF/RF combination on similar platforms, have you considered a GSG STG44 type rifle in .22 and a PTR 91 in 7.62 NATO? Similar controls and handling and both awfully cool firearms. I'm quite familiar with the G3 platform and they are a seriously underrated battle rifle. An accurized PTR 91 is a military grade SDMR.
Quote from: Mark Davis on December 12, 2013, 09:32:09 AM
Quote from: olefido on November 29, 2013, 11:20:41 AM
Does anyone make a .22lr version of the Garand or was there some kind of training rifle for it. My goal here was to find a combination of centerfire and rimfire rifles that have the same basic constuction and hopefully nearly the same controls such as safety, mag release, etc. to facilitate training and transition ease outside of the AR style platforms. The M100 seemed like it would fit the bill somewhat with the 10/22. Maybe the next thing to do is to see if Ruger would put out a centerfire rifle version of the 10/22 in .223. The mini-14 is close and I have never owned one although I do shoot them every year at work for qualification. The accuracy beyond 100-200 yards seems iffy although that may have more to do with the abuse the rifles at work take.
During world war II There was a Reising .22 trainer. I belive it was manafactured by marlin. The stock was Garand shaped. The action was operated by pushing a rod that extended forward of the action accesed by a slot cut in the forearm.
I have had the oppertunity to handle a few of them owned by a freind, Jeff Reising who passed away some years ago.
Unlike the 513 remington the accuracy was not top notch.
Jeff's uncle was the desinger of both the Reising .22 training rifle and the Reising submachine gun.
My husband has one. It's made by Harrington and Richardson. It is a great rifle.