yo, I am having serious troubles here.....
when standing off hand in hasty sling..
issue #1
I can get the sling up tight, but once it is tight I can't bring it up to eye sight level and have to hunch way to low for even just a glimpse of the front sight
issue #2
If I let up on the sling and not cinch it tight enough to steady it in the hasty sling, the eye relief is horrible and i can't get a clear sight picture...
but i am able to bring up the rifle to better eye level but then as you can imagine.... to be able to shoot worth anything has been compromised.
What type of rifle are you shooting? Is the stock the right length for you?
For most people the butt will protrude up out of the pocket (created when you lift your trigger elbow up till it's nearly straight out from your body) in the standing position so if you are trying to force yours down to the point where the top of the stock is level with, or below the top of your shoulder you may not have it in the right position (which would make it harder to get your cheek down on the stock and eye in position behind the rear sight). The pocket is that spot just inside the "knot" of your shoulder joint. The butt should not be on the joint or on the arm outside of the joint, but in that "pocket" or sunken in spot between the joint and your collar bone.
You'll need to stretch your neck forward (have you heard of the "turkey neck) as far as you can, practice it, and get your cheek down on the stock. You do this to get your cheek on the stock in the same spot every time (cheek weld) which results in your eye lining up behind the rear sight the same every time.
This is all part of getting in the habit of creating a consistent position that insures your shooting eye is always in the same spot behind that rear sight for every shot. If your position is not solid and consistent you will not achieve tight groups where you want them on the target.
The sling should be good and snug, not so tight that it's painful, cuts off the circulation in your arm, results in a bruise, etc.
i am gonna play between the hasty and hasty hasty and work thru each of them. I was at my first Appleseed the 16 in Wabash. Had to leave just as we were starting to work on off-hand and didnt get to do any drills with the sitting either. TheGuy sure was a help (and Fred of course) but I didnt get to run thru but 1- 5 rd drill of the off hand (cous had to pick up his children 4 hours away)
so.....
I am working on both hasties and trying to get NPOA at home before the range tomorrow.... im not known for my patience I think :>
Quoteissue #1
I can get the sling up tight, but once it is tight I can't bring it up to eye sight level and have to hunch way to low for even just a glimpse of the front sight
Take M1A4ME's advice; if you're hunching, you likely have the stock too low on your 'shoulder pocket' while shooting offhand.
This
should fix your eye relief issue, too, since now your head will be in the right place.
Good advise guys. Bringing up the stock helped much. I have a question though...I am tossing around the idea of replacing the 'recoil butt pad' )which sucks worse than using sand paper on my shoulder with a GI m14 buttplate. If I could get a half inch that would help me with the tension issue so I per chance could bring up the rifle farther up. I am thinking the half inch may help me with the offhand sight picture too where I can get closer to the peep sight. I am using a synthetic stock on my loaded M1A though, anyone have any troubles with putting the USGI on a synthetic? I like the synthetic better b/c my fingers are a little shorter and the way I grip the stock wood and the Boyd's that TheGuy uses was to thick for my tastes.
I've heard rumors that the SA synthetic stocks are GI synthetics with a nice bumpy paint job. I don't know this for sure. If it was a GI stock I'd think a GI buttplate would attach perfectly. Don't know if they use the same screws to attach the rubber kickpad that are used for the GI buttplate or not. I've been told the M1A/M14 lower buttplate screw (the one that goes through the rear sling swivel) is the same as used on the M1 (in case yours is different and you have problems finding one. The top screw is different than the bottom screw or the M1 top screw. The synthetic stock has a nut in the rear of the stock for the top screw.
Quote from: M1A4ME on June 28, 2007, 12:21:13 PM
I've heard rumors that the SA synthetic stocks are GI synthetics with a nice bumpy paint job. I don't know this for sure. If it was a GI stock I'd think a GI buttplate would attach perfectly. Don't know if they use the same screws to attach the rubber kickpad that are used for the GI buttplate or not. I've been told the M1A/M14 lower buttplate screw (the one that goes through the rear sling swivel) is the same as used on the M1 (in case yours is different and you have problems finding one. The top screw is different than the bottom screw or the M1 top screw. The synthetic stock has a nut in the rear of the stock for the top screw.
I talked to Springfield about a year ago, and at that time, and I would assume they still are, they were using USGI synthetic stocks and painting them with Harley Davidson wrinkle paint.
That was direct from a factory rep, so again I would assume that a USGI buttplate should screw right on. Let us know what you find out.
I obtained a m14 stock from the local surplus. I am good to go, used the same screws that were already in the synthetic stock and just screwed on the USGI buttplate. Its fits very tight and fits snug. the only I am thinking of adding is a possible rubber gasket cut out (perhaps a 3/16" O-ring-black) to fit into the 1/8 inch gap that is on top where the hinge frame just comes up short up against the back of the stock.
If stock length is the problem (short?) I have one of those
slip on GI pads that I believe was used to soften recoil when
used in the rifle grenade mode. Done that once without a
pad (Garand), then was shown the step on the sling, butt
resting on the ground method...didn't bite atall! I would
guess it adds at least 1/2 to 3/4" to the stock length! :)