A couple of things have come up that prompt me to start a new thread.
First off, after looking at the proof for the new "Appleseed News" I am saddened to see that we don't have any Appleseeds on the schedule for Oregon. What? you ask, Not even one? I must report that sadly we have none. As a native Oregonian I know many people in Oregon shoot. I also know that almost all shooters benefit from attending an Appleseed. So why no Appleseed?
Because we don't have a place or places to shoot.
That leads directly to point #2 of this discussion. And I do mean discussion, that means that we talk here amongst our selves and find a solution to the "problem" outlined in point #1.
Skinchurch asks;
QuoteLet me ask, how much physical space does the shooting range need be to hold an Appleseed?
Well, the answer is , not much.
We can put on a shoot in a space as little as 100' X100'. Yes folks that's feet.
Let me add that we also need parking space, but you see, we don't need miles of space just feet.
A berm or other safe backstop, a 25 yard lane about 100' wide with enough room behind the firing line for instruction and staging.
Space to shoot to 100 yards would be great even longer would be best, but we can get by with whatever we can get.
Appleseed will provide the landowner with an insurance waiver, we will provide temporary sanitary facilities, we will install temporary target holders, we will police the area and remove all brass, targets and garbage. We will help build the berm if necessary (a great opportunity to volunteer).
So if you know anyone with property that meets the above requirements I urge you contact them, then contact me so we can get some Appleseeds scheduled in Oregon.
I appreciate you taking the time to read this. Please assist me in getting Appleseed "growing" in Oregon.
Wheeler44
First of all, note that there's a whole thread about hosting an Appleseed.
http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?board=35.0 (http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?board=35.0)
But, quick and dirty, look at this for basic land requirements:
QuotePard, here's what I sent another fellow, once. It's not the official poop, but will get you started.
Biggest requirements are a safe backstop, legal to shoot, and no non-shooter neighbors close enough to object.
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Land requirements for an Appleseed range
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On the forum, there's a section about hosting an Appleseed.
But, in plain English, here's what the site needs:
A firing line with a safe backstop, either a natural hill or a man-made berm will do. The taller the better, but seven or eight feet is adequate, provided there isn't a subdivision right behind it. Let common sense and good judgment prevail. It has to be stout enough to take LOTS of high-power rifle rounds.
Firing line should accommodate at least 50 shooters, although some only accommodate 25 or 30, and space for 100 or 120 is desirable. Shooters need at least 40", or 3 1/3 feet, each, although 4' or a smidge more is desirable. Basically, that means anything from 100' to 500' long. 200' is a desirableminimum. Target line to firing line should be 82'/25m, although 75'/25yds has been used. We need a clear area at least 10', preferably 12', behind the firing line, for clear line of sight between the rangemaster and his RSO's. Another 8' to 10' clear behind that is desirable, for stowing gear and for use by spectators. Flat, more-or less level terrain is real helpful, with no tall grass or other vegetation. Shooting to the north or northeast is desirable but not necessary.
There needs to be adequate parking area for the anticipated crowd, and on-site camping space is desirable. Electricity and potable water source are luxuries, but not necessary if attendees are told in advance they will not be available. There has to be space for a registration table, and space (and local availability) of porta-johns.
Of course, shooting there has to be legal, and it's nice if no noise-sensitive neighbors are too nearby.
Hope this helps.
Of course, room to safely shoot to 400 or 500 yards is a plus. But safe and sorta comfortable 25 meters will do.
How many yards in an acre, how far arcoss a square acre in yards ?
Info that could help.
Wade
Well, a square acre would only be about 69.57 yds. wide by 69.57 yds. long.
If you "adjust that you could get numbers like:
1 acre if 120 yds. long (for back stop, firing line, etc.) would be only 40.3 yds. wide (40 shooters?)
1 acre if 220 yds. long (for back stop, firing line, etc.) would be only 22 yds. wide (22 shooters?)
1 acre if 320 yds. long (for back stop, firing line, etc.) would be only 15 yds. wide (15 shooters?)
1 acre if 420 yds. long (for back stop, firing line, etc.) would be only 11.5 yds. wide (11 shooters?)
1 acre if 520 yds. long (for back stop, firing line, etc.) would be only 9.3 yds. wide (9 shooters?)
An acre has right at 4840 square yds. in it. Of course, my math could be wrong.
edited - don't know what's worse, my math or my spelling ;)
An acre is ten square Gunter's chains. One Gunter's chain is 66 ft long.
So, 66 ft x 66 ft x 10 = one acre, or 43560 square feet.
If you had a piece of land that was square, and was exactly one acre, your land would be (43560 ft^2)^.5, or 208.71 feet per side.
BTW, a mile, which is 5280 feet long, is 80 Gunter's chains long.
For gigles and grin been looking at www.1881.com cheap land in the middle of nowhere,,not that any one around this site would look for such place's ;).
Just a thought.
Wade
So, if you are looking for one acre and asking how many Appleseeders could one acre, fully-utilized, accomodate, figure 27 yards (25m) + 13 yards for firing line, equipment line, target line, etc, in depth, making the length 120 yards, or enough room for 100+ Appleseeders at 42" per shooter.
Gee, 100? That'd be a pretty big Appleseed! In fact, we've had only 2 Appleseeds that were over 100 - right?
So, the big challenge is not to get the one acre - we should be able to do that - the BIG challenge is to make full use of it.
Line up those one-acre DARs, and then we'll get started on the real issue - filling up the spaces on the line...
PS: Wade, chase down some of that cheap land, and let us know here what you find - I bet we can find Appleseeders willing to buy, then loan or donate the land to the program for the DAR program...
Best price wise I have looked at (online) have been in Oregon and Nevada,,No nabors middle of nowhere perhaps a good place for a retreat hunting lodge ranch retirment home ? www.1881.com look it up .
Land cheap add a well and solar power and build just an Idea perhaps some one would like a place in the middle of nowhere not close to a city remote & secluded.
Nicest looking in Nevada 160 acre's $65000 A real middle of nowhere mule deer elk antalope rabbits hmmm,,,,
Not that I would think of such a place for myself ;) nope.
not me :D.
Wade
Party at Wade's place! ;D
United Country is another good RE site. You can search by state, acreage, type, etc.
I did notice a 16000 acre tract in Tennesse that is just begging to be timbered. Now if I just had a sawmill....
http://www.unitedcountry.com/
OK Oregon, you heard it straight from the horses,er,uhm, mouths. Find us an acre in you neighborhood and lets get going.
Rumor heard around here; Fred is makin' up and handin' out rockers with states names on 'em. We don't want to be last in line here, so let's get goin'.
Wheeler44
yup party at my place Work party that is .
Wade
So my question is:
Could we do this on National Forest land that fits the requirements? I know of few places close to La Grande Oregon that would be suitable. What do you think?
Jerry
Yep, National Forest is a possibilty for you. Not sure what is available
to you guys in the valley. We held the first Appleseed (I think in Oregon)
on National Forest land that was designated a shooting area called
Snaketooth. We had private land, but weather (rain) with access only
by an unimproved logging road deemed a back up location on National
Forest land. Think we had somewhere around twenty five shooters that
quacked after two days straight of non stop rain ;D At least ya found out
what firearms functioned in the rain and wet, and those that did not do well
Just out of curiosity what about White City and Josephine County Sportman's Park in Merlin? We've had Appleseeds at both locations before. As for National Forest, you don't want to do that as they don't allow commercial activities on NF land w/o permits etc. Supposedly Coos County was trying to get a Sportsman's park up and running also. In my opinion staying on the 5 w/ a location around Roseburg would be the best.
Uhlan, could you get me some contact information for the ranges that you mentioned. We're makin' up the schedule for next year and we'd like to get down there.
Wheeler44
Quote from: Francis Marion on July 21, 2008, 03:03:04 PM
An acre is ten square Gunter's chains. One Gunter's chain is 66 ft long.
So, 66 ft x 66 ft x 10 = one acre, or 43560 square feet.
If you had a piece of land that was square, and was exactly one acre, your land would be (43560 ft^2)^.5, or 208.71 feet per side.
BTW, a mile, which is 5280 feet long, is 80 Gunter's chains long.
I wonder how many Hogsheads are in a Gunter's Chain? ??? ;D ::)