OK so I got the TS200 model of the Tech Sights, instructions say it has a .062 aperture.
Well it gives me a really dark sight picture and the 400 yd targets all but disappear, they are just a fuzzy area that is slightly darker than the background of the target.
I'm in my late 40's and need fairly strong reading glasses.
Indoors with a 10yd practice tgt I have found that if I shine a bright light on the tgt I can see the small tgts ok if I don't wear glasses.
But then the front post is blurry and indistinct, if I put the glasses back on I see the post well but the smaller tgts disappear again.
Should I try drilling out the aperture of weaker readers?
Or anything else.
Or did I just throw a bunch of money away?
TIA
Larry
There's a couple of things you can try.
1). If you bought the 200 series you can buy these inserts that have different apperature sizes. .042-.062-.082 I found that for me I could see the 400 yd target better with the smaller aperature. Check these out at ---http://www.eabco.com/store/products/Aperture_Set_for_TechSights_200_3_New_Peep_Sight_Hole_Sizes-1922-54.html
2). The next problem I ran into once I could see the 400yd target was that the front sight post was larger than the target. Well we fixed that one by replacing the front post with one from KNS Precision. I believe it is .034
You can find these here---http://www.knsprecisioninc.com/iron-gun-sights.html
I was able to shoot a riflemans score with open sights with these modifications. Before that it was with a scope. I hope this helps you. I hate glasses. ~Two Wolves
p.s I've always been a big fan of the serenity prayer. I have it on the back of my cards I hand out. I really like your version of it. May have to borrow it. :)
Is your sight picture center hold (front sight centered in target)? If so, try the six o'clock hold (top of front sight right below the target. You might also try putting a piece of scotch tape on your glasses over your non shooting side eye. The KNS sight posts are nice also.
I use reading glasses that are just strong enough to focus on the front sight, for me that's about 1.25. El cheapo's from WalMart work great. If they are too strong, now you can't see down range. And I second the smaller aperture if you think that's an issue (shouldn't be), sounds counter intuitive but works.
How's your eye relief? Should be 2" or so from the rear sight.
Don't judge what you see indoors no matter how good the light is, base decisions outside. Those that haven't shot aperture sights much, 99% of it is just getting use to them, once you do, you'll love them....O.L.
Thanks everyone.
Im gonna try to get it out to the range this evening for sight-in.
Im gonna stop by the dollar store and get a pair of cheap readers that are weaker.
I will take some 1" squares, 25yd practice AQT's and a couple wire drills a few thou bigger than the present aperture as a last resort.
Larry
OK I went to the range last evening.
As I was sighting in on the squares there was plenty of light coming through.
So I dont need to drill out.
BUT without glasses I see the tgt good but the post is a fuzz ball.
With glasses I see the post good but the targets all wash out.
As it started to get I dark I put up an aqt anyway.
Had to shoot it with out the glasses to see any tgts.
It was a disaster I shot a 180 sumthin , I normally average in the 230's.
Last night and this morning I have been reading up on High Power sites and learned a few things.
1.A lot of folks use lenses in aperture sites, But I'm not going to that expense just please my egos' desire to shoot a score with irons.
2.The other thing I learned is that a smaller hole will help me get things in focus so long as I dont go too small that it blocks out light.
3.The only way I will be able to do dry fire practice indoors is with bright lights blaring.
Larry
Are you using the six o'clock hold? All you really want site front sight in focus? If you look at the target with your glasses on and not using the sights can you see the simulated 400yrd target?
Yes I am using the 6 oclock hold , I zeroed for the smaller tgts so I have to hold in the middle of the offhand tgt.
I want the front sight in focus or at least close.
WIth the glasses I cant see the 3 or 400 tgts there readers and I see far stuff fine.
I think I will find some small wire drills in the .040-.050 range and fill the aperture with Jb weld and redrill starting small and going up.
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Aperture Set for TechSights 200 - 3 New Peep Sight Hole Sizes allow you to change the aperture size on your Tech Sight 200 sight. Fine tune the clarity and focus of your sight picture to suit available light. (Not for TechSight 100).
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This new Aperture Set for the TechSights 200 peep sight allows you to change peep-hole sizes to suit the available light where you're shooting. It works much like a camera aperture in that, the smaller the hole, the better the focus. Of course in low light, you need a bigger hole to be able to see. And in bright light, you can use the smallest aperture and see the clearest sight picture. This set allows you to use the best size peep-hole (aperture) for the available light. The set is designed only for the TechSight 200 model (and won't fit the TS100). If you have or are ordering a TechSights 200 sight, this is a great add-on!
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I saw these but I don't think I will be spending any more money on this issue other than a 2$ drill bit.
I already feel like I wasted a lot of money on some thing that I dont intend to keep and use.
I just wanted to see if I could do it, I shoot well enough. I shot a 243 on my one and only official timed AQT.
But it was with a souped up 10/22 with a scope, I just wanted to see if I could do it with a more standard rifle with Irons.
If I can make it work well enough to hit the stage 4 tgts with some degree of confidence I'll be ecstatic.
I never intended to keep them unless decided to take a hat and save them for a loaner gun.
I don't think you threw money away. I would not jb weld and drill on the tech sights. You could always put them up for sale here if you can't get it to work. Maybe just get a scope. For a scope I recommend a Prostaff rimfire 3-9x scope that has extremely clear lens for about $150. I used one last week in Ramseur and was plinking steel out to 200+ yards no problem. It has a reticle with bullet drop calculated in. You just zeroe it, go online, put in your data, ammo and it give you the data for your holdovers.
Quote from: Padawan on September 03, 2012, 04:56:09 PM
I saw these but I don't think I will be spending any more money on this issue other than a 2$ drill bit.
I already feel like I wasted a lot of money on some thing that I dont intend to keep and use.
I just wanted to see if I could do it, I shoot well enough. I shot a 243 on my one and only official timed AQT.
But it was with a souped up 10/22 with a scope, I just wanted to see if I could do it with a more standard rifle with Irons.
If I can make it work well enough to hit the stage 4 tgts with some degree of confidence I'll be ecstatic.
I never intended to keep them unless decided to take a hat and save them for a loaner gun.
Even if I jb it I could still drill that out with an .062 bit without affecting function or value.
Scopes .... scopes.... I got scopes falling out of my ...well you know where.
No problem doing it with a scope it's just that my ego is refusing to accept that I cant do what them young bucks can do.
If I can't get it to work with my eyes with a smaller hole I'll have to settle for doing it with a bolt gun to try and make my ego happy. :)
I feel your pain. I got spoiled with my scoped Ar-22 at 25m.
How far is your eye away from the sight?
Being too far away will cause you to have a dark sight picture.
You should be close enough that the rear sight all but disappears once you put your focus on the front sight.
I'm only 26, I don't wear glasses, but the stage 4 targets all but disappear for me too.
A rifleman doesn't need to see his target - He just needs to know where it's at.
That's probably the biggest hurdle scope shooters face when they're trying to go back to irons.
The mind gets so used to the idea that the target should be clear, that suddenly it seems impossible and the shooter loses confidence in his ability. 99% of shooting is mental. Trust what you've learned and apply it.
You can look at the target, up until the point that you're about to fire, then switch your focus to the front sight, during the respiratory pause. If you've still got your NPOA, and you don't do anything else to lose it; you'll still be on target, even if it's no longer visible. Then, while you focus on the front sight, and your mind on keeping the front sight on target, squeeze the trigger, follow through/call the shot. The moment after you've called the shot, you can then shift your focus back to the target for your down range feed back.
On a side note; you could try a rifle with a longer sight radius as well.
Quote from: AFTERMATH on September 03, 2012, 05:58:20 PM
How far is your eye away from the sight?
Being too far away will cause you to have a dark sight picture.
You should be close enough that the rear sight all but disappears once you put your focus on the front sight.
I'm only 26, I don't wear glasses, but the stage 4 targets all but disappear for me too.
A rifleman doesn't need to see his target - He just needs to know where it's at.
That's probably the biggest hurdle scope shooters face when they're trying to go back to irons.
The mind gets so used to the idea that the target should be clear, that suddenly it seems impossible and the shooter loses confidence in his ability. 99% of shooting is mental. Trust what you've learned and apply it.
You can look at the target, up until the point that you're about to fire, then switch your focus to the front sight, during the respiratory pause. If you've still got your NPOA, and you don't do anything else to lose it; you'll still be on target, even if it's no longer visible. Then, while you focus on the front sight, and your mind on keeping the front sight on target, squeeze the trigger, follow through/call the shot. The moment after you've called the shot, you can then shift your focus back to the target for your down range feed back.
On a side note; you could try a rifle with a longer sight radius as well.
I can get between 1.5-2" from the rear sight.
I see the tgts fine its the post I cant see well.
With glasses i see the post not the tgts, I'm fine with fuzzy tgts I'm not OK with invisible tgts.
I can Know there is a deer in that thicket but I aint just gonna shoot into it.
If you have good distance vision and little or no astigmatism the solution may lie in low strength reading glasses (.75 diopter). These are not readily found at dug stores and the like but are available in safety glasses from Art Neergard at http://www.shootingsight.com/.
They are $35, I think. Art is a very helpful person and talking to him is always educational. He also has replacement rear sight leafs for the M1 and M14.
From reading your issues, I would think offhand that the readers that you used were too powerful or you have an astigmatism issue. I shoot the AR using .75 diopter glasses and they work for me. I do have a -.25 diopter astigmatism issue that I had to have corrected with a custom lens from my optometrist for precision shooting.
The thing that confuses me is how dark the sight appears. If it is really dark it would appear that the aperature is too small. But if you increase the aperature you will decrease your focal depth of field (the area of good focus).
Good luck.
Quote from: jmdavis on September 05, 2012, 05:04:02 PM
If you have good distance vision and little or no astigmatism the solution may lie in low strength reading glasses (.75 diopter). These are not readily found at dug stores and the like but are available in safety glasses from Art Neergard at http://www.shootingsight.com/.
They are $35, I think. Art is a very helpful person and talking to him is always educational. He also has replacement rear sight leafs for the M1 and M14.
From reading your issues, I would think offhand that the readers that you used were too powerful or you have an astigmatism issue. I shoot the AR using .75 diopter glasses and they work for me. I do have a -.25 diopter astigmatism issue that I had to have corrected with a custom lens from my optometrist for precision shooting.
The thing that confuses me is how dark the sight appears. If it is really dark it would appear that the aperature is too small. But if you increase the aperature you will decrease your focal depth of field (the area of good focus).
Good luck.
When I took it outside the darkness issue wasn't a problem.
Not willing to throw any more money at this thing and I don't know if I have any other vision issues.
I filled the aperture with jbweld and drilled a hole out with a #57 (.043) drill. The hole is probably a little bigger from twisting the bit by hand.
It seems to have brought the post more into focus but I wont be able to dryfire practice indoors.
Hope to actually shoot it tomorrow eve, if it doesn't work out I'll surrender and forget irons.