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OK folks, as we get closer there will be more details listed. What you need to know now.
- There are only thirty spots available at this time. If those fill and we can get the staff needed we will open the line up. We can go to eighty.
- Atterbury is hot in the summer and there is no shade.
- Everyone will be relaying through the pits.
- If you are a light sleeper, the sound of 155s and 50 BMG may keep you awake all night.
- We will have two squads. Squad A will shoot Saturday morning and work the pits Saturday afternoon, then work the pits Sunday morning and shoot Sunday afternoon. Squad B, of course will do the opposite. Everyone gets to shoot in the AM and the PM both.
- We will end the weekend getting come ups from 100 to 500 yards.
- You will be expected to have enough of the same ammo to shoot all weekend.
- You will be expected to have a solid 25 yard zero, and demonstrate same Saturday morning.
- You will be expected to have a known functioning rifle.
This is an instructor weekend, as in "Riflemen". If you show up with three kinds of ammo or a scope in the box, you will go to the pits to work. If we have time and daylight remaining Saturday afternoon, you will be allowed to get sighters, if you can convince someone to work the pits for you. If you bring a $3000 primary rifle and a $500 spare rifle, I am going to suggest that the $3000 rifle is unreliable and push strongly for you to use the $500 rifle. Bring a rifle that works, everytime. I understand that things go wrong and that things break, but we will not hold the line while you read instructions. Some instructors will be driving a long way to attend and they do not want to sit in the grass while you search for blue locktite.
Get to the range, get you and your rifle sorted out beforehand. We might do something fun, who wants to miss out on fun for want of a lost setscrew.
YHJ
Where do we sign up?
Quote from: philagothon on June 25, 2012, 11:03:07 PM
Where do we sign up?
The admin team works as fast as they can, it will show up, they always do don't they?
YHJ
Quote from: yellowhousejake on June 25, 2012, 10:46:08 PM- If you are a light sleeper, the sound of 155s and 50 BMG may keep you awake all night.
Ah... the good ol' days.
Anxiously awaiting sign up date!
Unfortunately I can't make it that weekend, have fun everyone.
I can't make it either. weekends off ended last week for the next couple months. hope everyone has a great time though.
Ok, I might double border raid you. Be prepared to be invaded by Pennsylvania. :) At least I should have my zero worked out from the Gibsonburg, Ohio KD the week before. I haven't shot anywhere with pits so it sounds like a great experience.
cant wait for this event, getting my come ups from 25-100 on my rifles this weekend. now to decide whether to shoot the ar15 or the new m1 garand
Link to sign up: http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=30312.0 (http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=30312.0).
Do it. As in now. O0
Done. O0
DONE!
In like Flint.
everybody bring some .308 and expect the unveiling of The Kang!
Count me in. Done.
just signed up, thank you ^:)^ :---
Signed up and checking SPQR's "KD Checklist":
1. Rifle & Ammo - Check!
2. Pen & Paper - Check! (actually sharpie & back of hand, but...)
3. Leave Silly Rifles at Home (Krinkovs, crickets, enfields) - Check!
4. Absolutely No Tannerite - Check!
5. BBQ for cooking in the Pits - Check!
6. Eyes & Ears - Check!
7. Eye of the Tiger - 200 Check!
8. Spare .308 for the beast! - Check!
9. Water - Check!
Gonna be awesome!
Lunch Lady and me are on the list!!
On the list.
Anyone have a place to crash on Saturday night?
Quote from: slim on July 09, 2012, 07:55:24 PM
On the list.
Anyone have a place to crash on Saturday night?
Yep...there are some nice patches of grass right there on the range. ^:)^ I can loan you a tent if you need one, but I'll warn you that my loaner tents aren't exactly water tight...but we all know that Indiana doesn't get rain much anymore.
And just like I offered at the last Atterbury shoot - anyone is welcome to use my shower. It's AMAZING. Seriously. Bring a gallon jug or your own solar shower, and you're all set.
I'm definitely in!!!
Camping is not a problem, we take full possession of the range so we generally camp at the 100 yard line on the east end of the berm.
Mat can be brought, personally I don't use mine at Atterbury. It's one thing more to drag between the ranges and the ground is soft anyway. The mat keeps you from getting a solid divot for your support elbow, IMO.
I recommend you go to the line with these things to get the most from the weekend.
1) A sorted out rifle. Not something with a new scope or untried trigger. You want a rifle that has proven itself to run 200 rounds without jamming or failure.
2) 250 rounds of the same ammo, brand and lot, you used for item one. Keep the rest of the ammo in the truck.
3) A backpack.
4) Water, pencil, notebook, more water, two magazines, light rain gear only if weather calls for it, a few snacks, sunscreen, sun glasses you have shot with before, hat.
5) An attitude that you have been wet before, tired before, dirty before, sore before, hot before, and survived every time. Smile, not many people get to shoot on a military known distance range just for the fun of it.
6) A small digital camera, 'cause you are going to want to remember this weekend.
As SPQR likes to say, everything you absolutely need, and nothing you will not use.
Yellowhousejake
Preparation for Atterbury.
1 - Start time - Checkin is at 7:30AM EDT. For those in most of Indiana, this is 7:30. For those in the Central time zone, it's 6:30 CDT. Safety briefing is at 8:00 sharp. We will not wait to get started. The day will be long and we can't afford to lose time here.
2 - Camp Atterbury firearms policy - No firearms. An exception is made for civilians for the firearms to be used on the range for an event.
3 - Centerfire Rifle, Zeroed - Please make an effort to get a known zero prior to attending. 25m or 200yds required.
4 - 250 rounds of ammunition - Make sure it is all the same as what was used to zero. For those with AR's, heavier is better. 62gr vs. 55gr, 75gr vs 62gr, etc...
5 - The elements - The range being used is not sheltered in any way. If it's sunny, you will be out in the sun. If raining, you'll be out in the rain. Bring what's appropriate for you and bring cover for your rifle if rain is expected. Layered clothing is best so that you can adjust to the changing temps. Events are not canceled due to the weather(exception with extreme weather only. i.e. - tornado, severe storm/lightning). Do not bring portable shelter as the firing line will be moving frequently.
6 - Additional items:
> Shooting mat.
> Sling.
> High powered binoculars or spotting scope. Will be used during sight in for each distance. We understand that not everyone has these. Some should be available to share.
> At least 2 magazines. Round count on each string will be 10 not including sighters but transition stages require a mag swap. Internal mag bolt guns will have to reload within time constraints.
> A way to take notes.
> **Eyes and Ears** Eye and Ear protection is NOT an option.
7 - Sign Up - YOU MUST HAVE SENT YOUR INFORMATION(name, address as appears on your ID, rifles and their serial numbers.) TO Yellowhousejake and Bill 3 PRIOR TO July 29th. To be safe also email your information to in@appleseedinfo.org
8 - Hydration - make sure to bring enough water/gatorade/etc.. to stay hydrated. It might be cool out being early in the year but the wind can take it out of you faster than the heat.
9 - Food - There will be a designated time for lunch. Please bring what food you need ready to eat. Leaving base for lunch is not the best option and we continue without anyone who is late returning from lunch. If everyone brings food that can be eaten on the fly, all the better.
10 - From the gate to the range control - Essentially, you continue through the cantonment area on the road you came in on. You will come to a stop sign across from the fire department. Range control is on your left, Look for a white Ford Ranger. A $10.00 per day range fee is required from each shooter attending.
If you have any questions, please contact me at in@appleseedinfo.org or call my cell at 1-317-989-0578. Keep this number handy in case you have any questions in route once on the base.
Thank you - Yellowhousejake
One more time, you will NOT be allowed to participate without the following info turned in to Range control.
Name
Address as appears on your ID
Rifle model and caliber
Rifle serial number
Spent the morning at the range with newest lot of ammo and trusty AR.
Confirmed my 100 yard come up and started my tank top tan.
Will return next week to confirm my BUS adjustments, and will leave ammo bearer behind as the excursion was prematurely ended due to some kind of boyscout camp induced malady which caused us to retire early.
The plains of Attebury await! Who else is prepping for our safari?
Tater took TBE and I down to SVGC and worked out the kinks with the Kang. With the price of .308 nearing $9,000 per round i don't know how much ammo I will bring for it... bringing the AR as well. It woke up ready. No horsin needed.
Bring the Kang. I got food she'll like.
Quote from: SPQR on July 15, 2012, 10:58:02 PM
Tater took TBE and I down to SVGC and worked out the kinks with the Kang. With the price of .308 nearing $9,000 per round i don't know how much ammo I will bring for it... bringing the AR as well. It woke up ready. No horsin needed.
was out shooting the AR this weekend and the rear sight fell off! the part of the mount that the screw goes into was lost! so i had to order a new set of rear sights (great excuse for upgrade, now my rear sights will have elevation adjustments!) will be sighting it in once the rear sights arrive so i will be ready. have come ups on the m1 down from 25-50-100 yards. also awating 600 rounds for the m1, still need to learn the trick of putting only two rounds in at a time.
Hey I need some help Im trying to zero my ar for 25 yards and get my come ups to a 100 its an a3 with standard a3 detachable carry handle and standard front sight post with bayonet lug 20" barrel I can get zeroed at 25 but at 100 im about 6 inches high so the problem is the rear sight is all the way down pretty much and the front post is sticking up above the wings I dont have any adjustment left to speak of to lower the poi at 100 yards just had model 1 sales (er shaw) chromoly barrel installed it has the front sight that came on it I have had 3 different front sight posts in it and 2 different rears on it same thing with all the configurations shooting 55 grain ball it shoots tight groups just cant get them down bout ready to use the rifle for a hi lift jack handle :wb:
give the rear drum one complete rotation, setting it back on 6/3, and then re-zero at 25 adjusting the front post. This will give you drum adjustments out beyond the range of the round for elevation and still let you dial it down 6MOA to the 100 yard zero. the other method is to only use the 25M setting. hold low for 100, not quite as low for 200, you will be back on for 300 and then hold high for 400.
im at the lower 6/3 setting zeroed at 25 with the front post already sticken up to high if I give the rear drum one complete rev up to 6/3 again then I will have to raise the front post even more to zero it back at 25 or am i confused The front post is almost loose its so far out already at 25 yards
Quote from: techres on July 15, 2012, 02:56:06 PMWho else is prepping for our safari?
I stay prepped for this type of safari!
Quote from: Slow2Speak on July 16, 2012, 07:25:40 PMI have had 3 different front sight posts in it and 2 different rears on it same thing with all the configurations shooting 55 grain ball it shoots tight groups just cant get them down bout ready to use the rifle for a hi lift jack handle :wb:
Once upon a time I bought a complete upper with a flat top and quad rail. It had some super sweet NC Star BUIS on there. I took it out to zero and couldn't see where I was hitting.
I couldn't see because I was hitting the dirt about six yards off to the left of my target... half way there! I was quick to blame the quality control experts at NC Star but after an exhaustive IMC experience I determined the quad rail had been incorrectly installed and wasn't properly aligned with the flat top.
I started getting into minor smithing and then decided I'd just use a single focal plane sight mounted to the flat top instead. No need to align a front and rear now. Just put the dot on the target and blam!
If you really wanna run irons, make sure your carry handle is mounted correctly and it's aligned with the front sight. Sometimes the handles are too far forward or back, not in the groove right, etc. There are different sizes of handles and front sight bases. Could they be slightly off?
As for zero... if you're six inches high at 100, you're about right. For shooting KDAQTs that's going to be just right since the V is "about" six inches up from the bottom of the target. Once you have your front sight set on an AR, you never really touch it again. Set it and forget it!
I am thinking we may just want to get the locals together at Chilidog's and have a shakedown to make sure everyone has a 25 and 100 meter zero before we go. then we can write them down. that would be a good time to gom around with a finicky sight and get it squared away.
my new rear sights are supposed to be arriving tomorrow! guess its time to head to the range tomorrow night and get some sighters in.
Yep but not till I get ammo in.
Quote from: SPQR on July 09, 2012, 10:40:22 AM
In like Flint.
everybody bring some .308 and expect the unveiling of The Kang!
this one guy said he was gonna send me to atterbury with some stuff labeled "LONG RANGE" for the Kang for you to try out. When is the shakedown at chilis going to be
If you have a standard front sight a frame that isn't stamped with an F, your front sight post will be too low and run out of threads on a flat top. I have an extended post and I'll bring it to chilidog's tune up shoot. Maybe that will take care of your sight issue.
Quote from: tater on July 22, 2012, 11:33:08 PM
If you have a standard front sight a frame that isn't stamped with an F, your front sight post will be too low and run out of threads on a flat top. I have an extended post and I'll bring it to chilidog's tune up shoot. Maybe that will take care of your sight issue.
I think I Got some where today started zeroed at 25 meters got out to 400 Yards still had bout 15 clicks left either way but yeah see you at chilidogs gom session
We got thirteen instructors signed up on Eventbright and not nearly that many have provided the required info to attend.
Don't forget, item seven below is mandatory!
http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=30308.msg229403#msg229403
YHJ
Bedford Contingent will have an Atterbury prep shoot to verify target zero and give out pointers on Saturday 7AM-9AM
No cost.
I would also recommend while at the 25m and on a 5 square do a box drill so you can learn the actual MOA per click for your rifle. This is some very valuable info to have and very easy to get in a setting like that. Especially the AR guys as there are so many different configurations that can be on the same AR.
Shut up Mudcat you're ruining our surprise COF! ;D
Quote from: SPQR on July 23, 2012, 05:52:11 PM
Shut up Mudcat you're ruining our surprise COF! ;D
Oh, man, someones gonna get a dial spun when no one is looking... :-\
Should I wear my "Dial Spinner" T-shirt?
Fashion of the day in the Bedford area reads "Posse Material". We're just trying to help.
cant wait for this event. where do i need to send rifle info off to for this. just read the thread twice, if i missed it, i am sorry.
edit: i understand the whole cold range and being at a military installation, do we need to provide the info on our edc that is going to be left our vehicles as well?
Quote from: JV on July 24, 2012, 03:07:47 AM
cant wait for this event. where do i need to send rifle info off to for this. just read the thread twice, if i missed it, i am sorry.
Right here:
Quote from: yellowhousejake on July 13, 2012, 08:43:44 PM
7 - Sign Up - YOU MUST HAVE SENT YOUR INFORMATION(name, address as appears on your ID, rifles and their serial numbers.) TO Yellowhousejake and Bill 3 PRIOR TO July 29th. To be safe also email your information to in@appleseedinfo.org
Quoteedit: i understand the whole cold range and being at a military installation, do we need to provide the info on our edc that is going to be left our vehicles as well?
Not allowed to even have your EDC in your vehicle on base. Rifles only.
Quote from: yellowhousejake on July 13, 2012, 08:43:44 PM
2 - Camp Atterbury firearms policy - No firearms. An exception is made for civilians for the firearms to be used on the range for an event.
No EDC. Roger.
But we can have the serialized rifle locked and loaded in the front seat when we get to the guard shack, right?
Or do they prefer it in an "Appleseed Safe" condition?
:cool2:
If you are like me, and your everyday carry is a rifle, you can bring it, just send in the serial. If its a pistol, leave it at home. You're bringing a rifle anyway.
In all seriousness, do you advise bringing a backup rifle or just run with the best you have?
Quote from: techres on July 24, 2012, 12:38:32 PM
In all seriousness, do you advise bringing a backup rifle or just run with the best you have?
I my honest opinion, if your rifle cannot run 250 rounds without a failure, sell it and buy a real rifle. This is my advice to those who insist on a spare rifle being needed.
If however this may be your one chance to shoot KD for the next year, and you do not want to go home for a failed extractor etc, then sure, bring a second rifle.
YHJ
Quote from: yellowhousejake on July 24, 2012, 01:03:31 PM
I my honest opinion, if your rifle cannot run 250 rounds without a failure, sell it and buy a real rifle. This is my advice to those who insist on a spare rifle being needed.
If however this may be your one chance to shoot KD for the next year, and you do not want to go home for a failed extractor etc, then sure, bring a second rifle.
YHJ
Rifle has not failed
yet in the last 5 years, so...
Will see you there.
Quote from: yellowhousejake on July 24, 2012, 01:03:31 PMI my honest opinion, if your rifle cannot run 250 rounds without a failure, sell it and buy a real rifle.
Huzzah!
Quote from: slim on July 24, 2012, 09:16:32 PM
Huzzah!
Yeah, yeah, yeah...
I've never had a fail in 3500 rounds of the AR, but the boyscout in me says "bring an extra extractor & spings - just in case"...
It's not like I am bringing my AK.
;D
Sign up for this will end Thursday night at midnight.
Been getting dribs and drabs for info on people and rifles.
There will be a final call Friday morning for info.
Those on the instructor schedule will receive a PM. Those signed up through eventbrite will receive an email. Please check to be sure that all info requested at that time is sent to myself and to in@appleseedinfo.org. The info requested may include additional items. Specifically DOB that has been missing from the info coming in thus far. Please wait and send(resend) all info in entirety. I promise no age jokes... :-X
Looks to be a fantastic event!!
- WRWIII
Quote from: Bill 3 on July 24, 2012, 11:05:21 PM
Sign up for this will end Thursday night at midnight.
Been getting dribs and drabs for info on people and rifles.
There will be a final call Friday morning for info.
- WRWIII
Soooo...deadline is no longer the 29th? Just asking for the sake of clarification. I gave someone until Saturday to work out details for a loaner, hence why I haven't yet sent in my info. If I need to him down, like, now, I can work on that.
AB
Out of Town until Thursday evening so should be able to get all info for both rifles by late Thursday night sent to Bill3 and YHJ
PM incoming.
Quote from: AuntieBellum on July 24, 2012, 11:22:15 PM
Quote from: Bill 3 on July 24, 2012, 11:05:21 PM
Sign up for this will end Thursday night at midnight.
Been getting dribs and drabs for info on people and rifles.
There will be a final call Friday morning for info.
- WRWIII
Soooo...deadline is no longer the 29th? Just asking for the sake of clarification. I gave someone until Saturday to work out details for a loaner, hence why I haven't yet sent in my info. If I need to him down, like, now, I can work on that.
AB
just sent my info in, twice. forgot dob on first attempt.
i will be bringing the ar and the m1, looking forward to getting some trigger time in this weekend to confirm the information i got last weekend.
A little embarrassed :-[, but not too proud to ask...
I would love to come to Atterbury, but I have a couple things holding me back.
1. Time
2. Rifle
Time - Is it feasible to come out for Sunday only? I'm working sixty-eight hour weeks right now and I doubt I'll be able to make it out for Saturday. I don't want to drag everyone else down on Sunday because I missed out on Saturday. I would rather stay home than hold the rest of you back. There is a very slim chance that I could make it out for the whole weekend, but it's not impossible. If Saturday attendance is mandatory to shoot on Sunday, can I come out Sunday just to watch and learn?
Rifle - I only have one rifle that is capable of reaching out to 400 yards, a Mosin Nagant 91/59 carbine. My highest round count for a day with it is well south of 100. I honestly don't know if I can handle multiple AQTs behind that steel butt-plate, but I'm willing to try. It's also slow; slow to cycle and slow to reload. The sights and adjustments are crude &). The good news is that ammo is cheap and it's MY rifle. I can buy a can of ammo and head to the range this weekend to line it out. I've had a couple offers for loaners (thanks UD & AB); but I can't afford to feed Uncle Davey's M1 and AuntieBellum is too far away for me to have a chance to familiarize myself with her rifles beforehand. I'm not above using a loaner, but it would need to be cheap to feed (I can get 300 rounds on chargers for the Mosin for $80) and close enough that I could meet you at a range this weekend to familiarize myself with it.
I would love to be a part of the KD weekend. I've done very little shooting beyond 100 yards and have a lot to learn. I think it will help me to be a better instructor. But, dragging everyone else down for my sake is no fun.
Well, it's nearly 5:00 AM. My alarm is going off in four hours to start another day. Let me know if I should bother signing up, and don't be afraid of hurting my feelings if you feel I'll be too much of a drag; Appleseed is more important than me and my desire to come play too.
philagothon:
where are you from? how close to indy are you? i have an ar i am bringing both days, if we get into opposite groups, i can let you use it. if you are close to indy, we can meet up and get a little trigger time in if you would like this weekend.
JV
SPQR/YHJ/Bill 3 have to answer the question about sunday only.
However, if you are looking for a spare rifle, PM Slim. He has a Colt A2 AR that he loans out all the time so long as you provide or pay for ammo. I think everyone in the program has shot that thing at some point in time and it does shoot pretty nice - even with the foreweight removed.
Give him a buzz.
Dude, bring the Mosin. That would be awesome. Your ammo will be fairly cheap.
Lets all remember, we don't always shoot an AQT just for the Rifleman's score, we do it fer the learning.
Quote from: philagothon on July 25, 2012, 05:59:27 AM
A little embarrassed :-[, but not too proud to ask...
I would love to come to Atterbury, but I have a couple things holding me back.
1. Time
2. Rifle
Time - Is it feasible to come out for Sunday only? I'm working sixty-eight hour weeks right now and I doubt I'll be able to make it out for Saturday. I don't want to drag everyone else down on Sunday because I missed out on Saturday. I would rather stay home than hold the rest of you back. There is a very slim chance that I could make it out for the whole weekend, but it's not impossible. If Saturday attendance is mandatory to shoot on Sunday, can I come out Sunday just to watch and learn?
Rifle - I only have one rifle that is capable of reaching out to 400 yards, a Mosin Nagant 91/59 carbine. My highest round count for a day with it is well south of 100. I honestly don't know if I can handle multiple AQTs behind that steel butt-plate, but I'm willing to try. It's also slow; slow to cycle and slow to reload. The sights and adjustments are crude &). The good news is that ammo is cheap and it's MY rifle. I can buy a can of ammo and head to the range this weekend to line it out. I've had a couple offers for loaners (thanks UD & AB); but I can't afford to feed Uncle Davey's M1 and AuntieBellum is too far away for me to have a chance to familiarize myself with her rifles beforehand. I'm not above using a loaner, but it would need to be cheap to feed (I can get 300 rounds on chargers for the Mosin for $80) and close enough that I could meet you at a range this weekend to familiarize myself with it.
I would love to be a part of the KD weekend. I've done very little shooting beyond 100 yards and have a lot to learn. I think it will help me to be a better instructor. But, dragging everyone else down for my sake is no fun.
Well, it's nearly 5:00 AM. My alarm is going off in four hours to start another day. Let me know if I should bother signing up, and don't be afraid of hurting my feelings if you feel I'll be too much of a drag; Appleseed is more important than me and my desire to come play too.
Dont forget about 7.62 x 39 I got a yugo sks your welcome to ,you can get ammo cheap for them not the best seedin rifle but would get you by
S2S,
Do you mind him using yugo surplus ammo? I have a pile of brass cased stuff on stripper clips that I would be happy to donate to a fellow shooter if you do not care about slightly corrosive surplus ammo running through the SKS.
Techres
Quote from: SPQR on July 25, 2012, 11:09:20 AM
Dude, bring the Mosin. That would be awesome. Your ammo will be fairly cheap.
Lets all remember, we don't always shoot an AQT just for the Rifleman's score, we do it fer the learning.
I'm definitely in this one fer the learnin'. And what better teacher than a 7.62X54 carbine with a steel butt-plate! There will be a fire extinguisher nearby, right? Cause, with the fireball this thing throws and our current grass conditions... well, I'll make sure to have an extra water bottle on the line. I'm not concerned with getting a KD patch (or whatever acclaim comes with shooting 210 at KD). I want to learn what it's like to actually shoot that distance so I can better relate it to the shooters.
I'm seriously fine with bringing and shooting my Mosin. In my mind, it's kinda the spirit of the program. Run what ya brung. Bring, shoot, and learn YOUR rifle. We're suppose to be able to do this with a rack grade rifle and rack grade ammo, right? It's not suppose to require levitating handguards, hypercryomegahammersuperforgeduberbull barrels, 1/4 ounce triggers, 50# rifles, 300X range estimating NV capable scopes and handloads weighed to 0.000001 grains. It doesn't get much more rack grade than a 70 year old rifle and ammo from the same era. It may not be the fastest, or shoot the tightest groups. But, I can almost guarantee I'll be the most hurtinest! ;D
The part I'm most embarrassed about is that I'll likely only be able to make it for Sunday and I don't want to slow everyone else down. Of course, 55 seconds is 55 seconds, I probably can't slow that down. But, if I show up with a rifle that's not zeroed for me... well I feel like that would be wasting y'all's time. If the COF has a few minutes Sunday morning to shoot a group and do IMC, then I'm ok with borrowing anyone's loaner. If not, I should probably stick with my Mosin. The reality of my rifle situation is that I can only afford to feed one rifle for that weekend. I can't feed my Mosin and also bring backup ammo for someone's M1, AR, AK, SKS, or Enfield if the Mosin proves to be too much for me.
So, to the Powers That Be: Is Sunday only alright? As long as I promise to hustle and not waste everyone's time?
PS: Firefox's spellchecker hates me! ;D
Stage 2 Mosin icon below! **)
:---
Oh, for anyone that might offer a loaner. I'm in Ellettsville and a member at Martinsville Conservation Club.
And he has the most insanely light trigger for a mosin you have ever seen.
Scary light.
As far as 55 second. You only need 7 5's to hold your own. You have a no target shifts, a feed ramp and 5 round internal mag - it is doable.
The trick is dead on for the first and fourth.
Oh, and, you know, if you really want to make that rifle all it could be, you might just take it over to the EBR side just a bit... (http://www.ebay.com/itm/new-Russian-91-30-M44-Mosin-Nagant-Rifle-PISTOL-GRIP-/320924432592?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab89638d0#ht_3344wt_898)
;)
Philagothon,
Check your PM's.
Quote from: techres on July 25, 2012, 01:59:39 PM
Oh, and, you know, if you really want to make that rifle all it could be, you might just take it over to the EBR side just a bit... (http://www.ebay.com/itm/new-Russian-91-30-M44-Mosin-Nagant-Rifle-PISTOL-GRIP-/320924432592?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab89638d0#ht_3344wt_898)
;)
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Quote from: techres on July 25, 2012, 01:04:46 PM
S2S,
Do you mind him using yugo surplus ammo? I have a pile of brass cased stuff on stripper clips that I would be happy to donate to a fellow shooter if you do not care about slightly corrosive surplus ammo running through the SKS.
Techres
No I dont Mind A bit it will clean up Just Let me Know and I will Bring it Saturday to the Chilidog Ranch
Sunday only is fine Kevin. Send Bill 3 and I your info. Everyone with a rifle he may use please update your info to show the rifle is coming on base.
YHJ
It's very liable to be hot. Ideally I want two coolers in the pits and one cooler at 100, 200, 300, and 400 yds. I have two five gallon construction drink coolers and two large picnic coolers that will hold three one gallon bottles with ice.
Who else can bring coolers? We will also need to plan on a run to town Saturday night to get them refilled.
YHJ
LL and I can bring 2 coolers. will also bring a case of water and have both of them loaded with water and ice when we arrive sat mroning
I got that big ol' formerly YHJ cooler that is rip roarin and ready to go
I can't make it that weekend but if you need a cooler you can borrow mine.
I can bring two big water coolers. Good for leaving at 300 and 400, for example, to refill water bottles.
I have a cooler too.
Quote from: spitfire51 on July 25, 2012, 10:19:34 PM
I can't make it that weekend but if you need a cooler you can borrow mine.
And I can pick it up easy enough
I'm bringing a spare rifle (and ammo) and philagothon or anyone else is welcome to it. I can only shoot one rifle at a time!
I could use a Line Boss, I am the only instructor signed up.
We can pull RSOs from the line, but a LB would make things easier as I will already be listening to two radios. I am fine with different LB on Sat and Sun if any of you already KD experienced Riflemen don't mind shooting only one day.
YHJ
Quote from: slim on July 26, 2012, 07:44:41 AMI can only shoot one rifle at a time!
...typical Air Force...
**)
Do you want a consistent pit boss for the each day, too, or just pull someone from each rotation to run the radio from the pits? If the former, I'm happy to take Saturday in the pits. If the latter, put me where you need me. I already have ball-park come-ups for the rifle I'm bringing.
Quote from: yellowhousejake on July 26, 2012, 08:49:30 AM
I could use a Line Boss, I am the only instructor signed up.
We can pull RSOs from the line, but a LB would make things easier as I will already be listening to two radios. I am fine with different LB on Sat and Sun if any of you already KD experienced Riflemen don't mind shooting only one day.
YHJ
i will be bringing a large cooler full of water bottles and ice
Quote from: AuntieBellum on July 26, 2012, 09:10:24 AM
Do you want a consistent pit boss for the each day, too, or just pull someone from each rotation to run the radio from the pits?
I already figured on putting you and SPQR on opposite squads to handle the PitBossing.
YHJ
Ive done quite a bit of kd already this year so I can "work" the whole time. I'd like to work the pits at least one day since I've never pulled pit duty.
Use me as needed. Typical Air Force...
Quote from: yellowhousejake on July 26, 2012, 09:45:40 AM
Quote from: AuntieBellum on July 26, 2012, 09:10:24 AM
Do you want a consistent pit boss for the each day, too, or just pull someone from each rotation to run the radio from the pits?
I already figured on putting you and SPQR on opposite squads to handle the PitBossing.
YHJ
You're one smart cookie, you know that? Mmmm....cookies.
Thanks everyone for the outpouring of generosity :bow:.
I am signed up and rifle info is sent. I will be bringing and plan to shoot my Mosin. If it proves to be too much to handle and someone has a spare rifle and ammo I will gladly reimburse them. I will also see what I can do to get out of working Saturday so I can be there for the entire weekend. I am happy to help in any way that I can (I'm good for grunt work).
This will be my first time ever shooting KD. I will do my best to look :cool2:, but on the inside I'll be ^:)^ :sos: ^:)^ :)) ^:)^ %) ^:)^
I'll try to make it out to Chilidog's this weekend, but no promises due to work schedule.
I dont have to shoot the whole time. I can line Boss some .
Quote from: yellowhousejake on July 26, 2012, 08:49:30 AM
I could use a Line Boss, I am the only instructor signed up.
We can pull RSOs from the line, but a LB would make things easier as I will already be listening to two radios. I am fine with different LB on Sat and Sun if any of you already KD experienced Riflemen don't mind shooting only one day.
YHJ
I've watched this thread with a great deal of jealousy.
I guess you won't be thirsty.
There'll be some hootin and hollerin
Maybe some good natured ribbing amongst like souls
Work hard, play hard. MJ52
I am still planning on raiding all the way across Ohio from Pennsylvania! Hopefully I can sort out a good zero at the Gibsonburg, Ohio KD this weekend. :)
I'm still sad I can't make this :( hope you guys have a blast.
I want soooooooo much to be there, :( but too many other irons in the fire. I know you will have a great weekend
DD
Can we get an update on the OP as for info sent in and received?
I am working on that now.
YHJ
Need DOB for the following,
Michael Barthelemy
Edward Bay
Kevin Hodge
Joshua Streiff
Maybe I got them via email or PM, but I can't find them.
Everyone accounted for!
YHJ
Missed DOB in this:
Quote7 - Sign Up - YOU MUST HAVE SENT YOUR INFORMATION(name, address as appears on your ID, rifles and their serial numbers.) TO Yellowhousejake and Bill 3 PRIOR TO July 29th. To be safe also email your information to in@appleseedinfo.org
PM inbound with DOB!
PM sent with DOB. I musta missed it too.
Quote from: techres on July 27, 2012, 10:27:49 PM
Missed DOB in this:
Quote7 - Sign Up - YOU MUST HAVE SENT YOUR INFORMATION(name, address as appears on your ID, rifles and their serial numbers.) TO Yellowhousejake and Bill 3 PRIOR TO July 29th. To be safe also email your information to in@appleseedinfo.org
PM inbound with DOB!
I think next time we will post a template.
YHJ
I am getting ready to work out the squading for the relays. I need to know a few things.
-- Who has worked in the pits at a known distance range? Have you used spotters, have you worked target frames, etc?
-- Who has experience at Known Distance? Have you shot beyond 200 yards, doped wind, etc?
-- Who has a good working knowledge of battle sights/scopes? Can you re-zero a monkey'd up AR with A2 sights properly for a Battle Sight Zero?
Thanks, answers anytime in the next few minutes will be fine O0
YHJ
1. Never worked pits.
2. Done KD at 500 few times, both with sight adjustments and with adjusted point of aim from BSZ.
3. Yes/Yes (not done drum reset in a bit, but will review & confirm with Slim)
1. Yes. worked pits one afternoon and did some spotting from 100-400 yds
2. only shoot past 200 yds once. done at the last JTMC Appleseed weekend
3. Pretty confindent I can re-set a 20" AR 15 A2 sight system to BSZ
--I have worked in the pits at Atterbury and I did work target frames. If by spotters you mean the plug you put in the
target to say, "The shot went here" then "yes" to that too.
--I have shot KD at Atterbury 3 times out to 400 yards. Wind wasn't enough of a factor for me to worry about it.
--I have less experience with different scopes and sights. If people keep track of their "clicks from the bottom" then
anybody should be able to get themselves back on track. My goal for this KD session is to use BSZ and not adjust my
rear sight for elevation. Not sure if that answers the question but there it is.
One more thing: I will, sadly, only be able to make it for Saturday.
Thanks,
brian
yes
No.
Shot 200 with a 22 and did fairly well, not much wind to dope though.
I "think" I can handle number 3. I've rehearsed it in my head, but have not had a rifle/range to practice on. Is it much more than advanced IMC?
Quote from: philagothon on July 28, 2012, 08:39:32 PM
No.
Shot 200 with a 22 and did fairly well, not much wind to dope though.
I "think" I can handle number 3. I've rehearsed it in my head, but have not had a rifle/range to practice on. Is it much more than advanced IMC?
Not a test, no one is expected to have done any of these things. I just want to spread the experience through both squads for everyone's benefit. So make a point of asking someone to show you number three O0
YHJ
Yes.
Yes.
Yes-ish. I haven't used A2 sights personally, but I am good with monkeys. Will make a point to review different AR and other sight systems again before the weekend.
Also, while you don't want us having to hunt for the blue loctite when we're at Atterbury, it is helpful to bring with you to the range when getting an initial 25 yd zero. So I learned. Guess I'm going to the range two days in a row. ;D
I was looking for a pic of Ed in his AC hat so I could say "not this blue locktite" and I stumbled upon this pic. This has got to be the best Hero shot ever at an Appleseed.
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5255/5471667439_a6afb93e28.jpg)
As Malea relishes in her reward for Rifleman, Rimshot looks on without acknowledging approval. Riflemen already know their worth...
YHJ
Chilidog Loctite Wrightman Bryce who needs a name we are all no.no.yes.
On a somewhat related note, my spotting scope that was only partially working is by some divine miracle fully working now. Don't ask me to explain how that happened, but if y'all need to borrow it for the weekend it's available.
i have never worked the pits a known distance event
i have never been to a known distance event, furthest i have shot is 100 yards.
i am still learning my ar battle sights as i only recently started shooting the ar with irons, i can be taught.
Zero pit experience.
Lots of KD shooting experience.
I can make AR sights prettier than AJ in about 12 seconds.
Can we arrive on Friday night or is this strictly a Saturday/Sunday deal?
range possession is at 1800 Friday. those must be pretty AR sights. Not as pretty as a group I shot with a 795 recently.
We are gonna have to bring popcorn. This, most definitely, will be a main event to see!
Can I just come for the show? ;D ;D ;D
1.) Nope
2.) None
3.) Now that I can do. Piece of cake. I'm getting better with my M1A sights as well, so I'm guessing I'd be good to go on a garand as well, but don't have one of those.
Quote from: NWIeng on July 30, 2012, 06:30:28 PM
I'm guessing I'd be good to go on a garand as well, but don't have one of those.
Isn't there a law against that?
By God there ought to be.
Quote from: NWIeng on July 30, 2012, 06:30:28 PM
I'm getting better with my M1A sights as well, so I'm guessing I'd be good to go on a garand as well, but don't have one of those.
Can you supply yourself with Greek 1982 ball for the weekend?
EDIT: Heck, just let me know if you can bring whatever year headstamp HXP ball and I will trade you round for round. If you can't I am sure we can work out something. YHJ already has my M1 Garand info as a backup rifle. You're welcome to use it if you want. Just let me know soon. :)
Quote from: SPQR on July 30, 2012, 11:48:00 PM
By God there ought to be.
Guilty as charged. I'm perfectly happy a rescue a Garand if you see one stranded, wandering aimlessly and in need of a good home
Quote from: Edheler on July 31, 2012, 12:08:14 AM
Quote from: NWIeng on July 30, 2012, 06:30:28 PM
I'm getting better with my M1A sights as well, so I'm guessing I'd be good to go on a garand as well, but don't have one of those.
Can you supply yourself with Greek 1982 ball for the weekend?
EDIT: Heck, just let me know if you can bring whatever year headstamp HXP ball and I will trade you round for round. If you can't I am sure we can work out something. YHJ already has my M1 Garand info as a backup rifle. You're welcome to use it if you want. Just let me know soon. :)
Thank you graciously, but I'll be bringing the M1A and all the 168 grain goodness I have loaded, ready to give it my best.
Quote from: NWIeng on July 31, 2012, 12:33:45 AM
Thank you graciously, but I'll be bringing the M1A and all the 168 grain goodness I have loaded, ready to give it my best.
I am sure you will do fine! Huzzah! :)
i thought picking up an m1 was a requirement for getting your orange hat?
Quote from: JV on August 01, 2012, 02:16:09 PM
i thought picking up an m1 was a requirement for getting your orange hat?
As I understand it, the M1 is merely a "suggestion" &) for orange hats. I think it's a requirement for the Instructor PC.
That was only added after they came out with the gear needed to make the M1 modern, up-to-date, and EBR ready:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7108/7693180788_b5ec3ef884_z.jpg)
I think I just threw up a little. A pistol grip on a Mosin is one thing, but that's sacrilege!
Oh, it's gonna be tough to keep everyone on task this weekend, isn't it? ~~:)
Who's coming in Friday night? I know that YHJ and Rimshot and I will be there at 1800. The more hands to help set up target stands, the faster the work goes. O0
Quote from: AuntieBellum on August 01, 2012, 05:02:48 PM
Who's coming in Friday night?
I will be in Friday night, but since it's about a 7 hour drive I don't want to commit on a time.
Techres starts out in the pits Saturday morning...
YHJ
That's the first time I have been picked first for anything...
YAY!!!
Quote from: yellowhousejake on August 01, 2012, 06:04:06 PM
Techres starts out in the pits Saturday morning...
YHJ
I meant to say:
Eyes gazing to the skies, the bearded one looked at the cloudless blue rectangle visible from deep within the concrete trench now his home. With a stern nod, he turns back to his work of paper and steel, knowing that soon, far too soon, daggers of lead would race overhead ripping and tearing in their race to individual destinies.
Sweat dripping from old, salted hair, his thoughts were with those would would soon be on the land above, marching, dropping, firing, and pinning their hopes and dreams on the skills they learned so quickly yet so well. "Remember your training. It will save you..." he muttered, half memory, half prayer for those who would soon be fumbling for their future with hot steel, sweaty limbs, shaky hands, and eyes hard to see the grey figures emerging from the trenches arrayed against them.
There, the yell! The shot fired and with it a volley! The invisible chariots of speed breaking free of their confinement in steel and sound, race ahead with a crack each as if to nod like so many soldiers on parade, but with a sinister smirk in departure - their mark left in space a hole to be marked by the white puff of victory, or the dark black of failure.
Screams, yells, and the sudden din of silence brings the sounds of silence. And from that silence comes merely the heavy breath of labor, of the old midwifes of the underworld birthing riflemen into daylight and thrusting them up and out all with the hopes that some day, they too, will breathe air full of cordite and the damp smells of victory.
But for now, the lot remains. Tomorrows will have future enough. Today is today, and in the pit there is work to do...
So, the link about the shoot has the coordinates of the gate. Does anyone have the coordinates of the range so I drive to the right place once on the base?
Edit: Nevermind, just re-read the instructions. :-[
Hydrate. &)
I'll see everyone bright and early Saturday morning.
Going to pick a few last minute provisions and see you guys tonight
There were more replies on this thread than on Kim Kadashian's ill-fated marriage. I won't believe it unless there are pictures
So....you think they'll let me on base with a temporary id from the bmv?
:'( :'( :'(
I'm not going to be able to make it. Life keeps getting in the way. It's been a rough year. Hopefully we'll be able to get back on the trail soon. We love our Appleseed weekends and our Appleseed family. Have a great and safe shoot!
-Kevin
Just got home from the "Coordination" meeting at Camp Atterbury. We are good to go on Range 5 from 6 p.m. today (Friday) to 6 p.m. Sunday.
Weather forecast includes possibility for storms. Be prepared.
Central Indiana High Power will be on Range 3 but not sending a lot of rounds downrange. They will be out to 1000 yards. Mmmmm....
C ya,
brian
Kevin's out, AB got no ID (We all know who you are...), I barely got the lesson plans printed up, storms on the way.
Rough seas but no turning back. We are gonna learn some stuff, become better marksmen, become better instructors, it's gonna be fun.
YHJ
See you all in the morning!
It is gonna be a ball.
Oh, and slim, since you are shooting steel cased ammo, I have a spare extractor for you just in case.... >:D **)
[don't blame me, it was too easy a jab to pass up]
Just got the mohawk -:) trimmed up, assembling kit, packing provisions, game planning and I'm hydrating right now.
I'll see you folks bright and early. And no, we don't need no stinkin extractors!
Quote from: brianheeter on August 03, 2012, 04:34:47 PM
Just got home from the "Coordination" meeting at Camp Atterbury.
Huzza to BH, his attending the meeting for me was a huge hurdle we had to overcome. Trucks loaded and I'm leaving shortly, AB and RS are on the road now.
YHJ
Was a great weekend. Learned a ton. Met a lit of really cool people and got to put some faces with forum names. Weather was nice except for couple of storms. Found out that machine gun fire is actually very relaxing when going to sleep. Thank you everyone for a great weekes. Was awesome getting to know everyone.
Thanks to everybody who had a hand in making this weekend a success, especially YHJ. I'm only partway through reading the handout and I'm picking up a lot more than I absorbed on Saturday. I regret not being able to attend on Sunday. Great material that I would have liked to put into practice a bit more.
Like JV said, it was nice to meet some people who I only knew on the forum by their screen names, some of them from Indiana! Edheler, however, travelling from Pennsylvania! Impressive.
That was fun. Even the sideways rain was kind of amusing. Let's do it again sometime.
C ya,
brian
epic
I am home safe and will post a longer message tomorrow. If I had to choose a single word to describe the weekend I would have to agree with SPQR!
1. Epic? YOU BET! And I have a ton of pictures and video to post up as soon as the AAR thread is opened.
2. We learned some amazing lessons both in KD and in how to do this kind of KD event. I am making my mental list for the IAAR and everyone else should as well before sharp memories dull with passing hours.
3. That was fun. I hurt all over now kind of fun. Awesome...
Thanks to all of you for coming and especially for our new faces and border raiders, you guys were the best!
Techres
Oh, will post one pic before the AAR goes up:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8282/7716062532_c116357591_z.jpg)
Quote from: techres on August 06, 2012, 10:24:56 AM
Oh, will post one pic before the AAR goes up:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8282/7716062532_c116357591_z.jpg)
The shooter peers under his
Oakley's through a pair of binocs to see what damage his
4MOA fire has accomplished, his AR15 (in
5.56, NOT a .308 or any other .30 cal!) and
30-round magazine loaded with
steel-cased ammo lie near by. Oh, and of course, none of this can go without being accompanied by the ever-present "
HUZZA!!!" that I guarantee you he is saying, or at least thinking, in this picture. There's only one
tactical operator fitting the description above that also has a squirrel tail his head. Oh, what's that? It's not a squirrel tail? Oh, got it, it's the mowhawk. Not
a mowhawk,
the mowhawk. -:)
Wish I could have been there...
my shoulder is killing me, was not tight enough to my rifle, need to work on my positions. from all the the information i have, and a nice convo with AB, i very much think i may be pushing into the rifle to try to mitigate felt recoil causing my shots to fall low. i got some great information this weekend, both for my rifle and technique.
overall, my feelings today, after all of this has settled in: i agree with spqr, epic is the only word to describe this past weekend. my whole body is sore, i need to get back into the gym.
i need to work on my positions with my m1 and work on not anticipating the recoil, this is not an issue with my ar or my .22lr. a sore shoulder only made it worse on sunday.
i know quite a bit. i still have a ton to learn. appleseed has a great group of instructors, and as i help teach heritage and marksmanship to anyone willing to listen, i will continue to learn from those that have come before me.
hats off to everyone who made this weekend possible.
HUZZAH!
JV