Any recommendations for cheek rest? I'm ready to get something fancier than a piece of foam wrapped with 3M tape. Don't get me wrong: it's an affordable, practical, adjustable solution. But now I'm thinking about something that looks a little better than bandages for my rifle stock.
I have the base Ruger 10/22 model, if that makes a difference.
Thanks!
I use a Beartooth Comb Raising Kit on my 10/22.
http://www.beartooth-products.com/shop/vmchk/comb-raising-kits.html (http://www.beartooth-products.com/shop/vmchk/comb-raising-kits.html)
It's fancy foam padding wrapped in a neoprene sleeve... ;)
It comes with assorted thickness pads so you can dial it in for whatever height you need or take out the padding when you want to use your irons.
http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=29241.0
Karsten's is a quality piece that works on my 22's, m1A(yes I need it even for the irons), up to 338LM. Quickly adjustable for different shooters and it is robust. You need to have a drill, 1/4 " drill bit, and the courage to modify your firearm to fit youself. ;D
http://www.tacticalworks.com/Karsten-s-Custom-Cheek-Rest-A-Model.html
Is it a wood stock? If so you can put in a line of brads just below the level of where you want it to come up to. (Drive them through the foam you have on now) Remove the foam, then cover them with wood putty or Bondo. Shape to desired profile them paint or stain for desired finish.
If it is composit you would probably need thin screws rather than brads and need to spray the stock with a coating used on plastic bumper covers to help the bondo stick to it.
Yes, I have a wood stock, and would like to maintain a consistent look if possible. I looked for a leather cheek rest, for example. But I'm open to a wider range of suggestions. Thanks.
You can get reproduction M1 leather cheek pads. I will find the add for you and post it.
Hey, the M1 leather cheek pads look awesome! Do they fit the 10/22? Anyone tried it?
Some of the internet pictures show the pad mounted on the stock, with the pad on the left side of the stock, not the top??!!! Very confusing.
That would make sense as the scope mount sets the scope off to the side. Haven't seen one in person. Here is the website from shotgun news ad: www.pacificcanvasandleather.com.
It is $24.90+ shipping. No connection to company. Sounds like you found others already.
Ok, I have no recommendation except I'd probably like the look of your rifle with the tape and foam!
Function over form.
An SB (Marpat Pippi) has the ugliest rifle in the world. It is a 10/22 with random wood bits actually screwed into the 10/22 stock. I think it has a furring strip for the cheek rest and something else attached to the grip...Franken-rifle. I actually laughed when I first saw it.
But as ugly as it is...it is a custom rifle. I'd say be creative with your rifle and personalize it. One SB I know has the date of his RM score carved into the stock of his rifle. I think I'll try the brads and bondo thing a try. Give your rifle some personality and make people laugh...until they see you shoot it. The rifleman is all on the inside.
-Peter
Quote from: K2011 on June 12, 2012, 11:23:15 PM
Any recommendations for cheek rest? I'm ready to get something fancier than a piece of foam wrapped with 3M tape. Don't get me wrong: it's an affordable, practical, adjustable solution. But now I'm thinking about something that looks a little better than bandages for my rifle stock.
I have the base Ruger 10/22 model, if that makes a difference.
Thanks!
Most stocks are made for average size people, perhaps leaning to less than average size people.
That saves material and keeps costs down.
Unfortunate for the larger folks. I tried cheek rests but could not get my face down to look through the sights.
Are you taller than 5'8"?
My issue was solved when being coached in a non appleseed venue. The line officer kicked me in the friendly way line officers do, and said "get a longer stock" The rifle had a standard stock plus a 1 1/4" Adjustable butt pad.
I informed the line officer that I had a longer than normal stock, and he, with the infinite patience of line officers said "get a longer stock"
I bought a small piece of 4/4 walnut cut a piece out, installed it between the stock and but pad.
The next time, my friendly line officer kicked me and said "get a longer stock". Without argument, I went home and put another piece of 4/4 walnut between the stock and butt pad.
The line officer did not kick any more.
The light really came on when I fired from the sitting position with my 15 3/4 length of pull "butt ugly" stock.
For the first time ever, sitting was solid, butt planted in the pocket, cheek weld, trigger hand position, sight picture.
Maybe what you really need is a longer stock, with your shoulder in a relaxed position, instead of hunched forward, thus allowing cheek weld.
Standing position was hard at first. The increased length moved center of balance to an unaccustomed position.
Fireing line time will cure that.
I have the "ACCU-Riser" on several rifles. ACCU-RISER.com if I remember correctly. Several options including pseudo wood.
Thanks for the various suggestions!
Mark, I am a little taller than 5'8", but not by much. I checked my position in prone, and the stock doesn't feel too short. My shoulder isn't hunched. I continue to think that the comb is just too low, and it's hard for me to get a consistent cheek weld. I'm going to try adjusting comb height first.
My main shooting problem at the present moment seems to be cheek weld. At shoots the instructors generally compliment me on my form, and when I point out I'm having problems, it's really hard for them to spot anything. But I know there's a problem. My head just can't seem to stay put, even with a layer of closed-cell foam on top of the stock. To secure my head position, I can press my cheek down hard on the foam on the stock (after turkey-necking, of course), but then I can't see the sights at all. I just see the stock. To see the sights, I'll have to raise my head a bit, but that's not a position I can repeat exactly every time.
At the start of the day when I'm new and fresh, I can hold my head in that position. But as I get more and more tired towards the end of the day, I have less and less control over my head position. So at the last shoot, the first target had shots touching each other, and generally small groups. Towards the end of the day, sometimes the shots didn't even make it to the paper. The groups were quite a bit bigger.
I'm not sure whether this means I need an even higher comb (than just one layer of closed-cell foam). It seems like you do have to use your musculature to keep your head in the right position. But then it also seems like I need to work out the comb height problem first.
I guess I'm just cheep, but I use foam wrapped with camoform you can pick it up for like 6 bucks and it looks really nice, expecily if your going for that taticool look. The less you spend on accessories the more you can spend on bullets! A little field craft goes a long way. If anyone is interested I can post a picture of my rifle, if not I won't bother.
~PlatzOut~
Quote from: Stand on June 13, 2012, 10:59:06 AM
That would make sense as the scope mount sets the scope off to the side. Haven't seen one in person. Here is the website from shotgun news ad: www.pacificcanvasandleather.com.
Can anyone confirm that the M1 leather cheek pad is off to the side when mounted on the stock? I am guessing that won't do for a Ruger 10/22 with Tech Sights.
Yes, consider it confirmed
~PlatzOut~
Quote from: K2011 on June 15, 2012, 12:39:31 AM
Quote from: Stand on June 13, 2012, 10:59:06 AM
That would make sense as the scope mount sets the scope off to the side. Haven't seen one in person. Here is the website from shotgun news ad: www.pacificcanvasandleather.com.
Can anyone confirm that the M1 leather cheek pad is off to the side when mounted on the stock? I am guessing that won't do for a Ruger 10/22 with Tech Sights.
Quote from: K2011 on June 14, 2012, 10:47:49 PM
Thanks for the various suggestions!
Mark, I am a little taller than 5'8", but not by much. I checked my position in prone, and the stock doesn't feel too short. My shoulder isn't hunched. I continue to think that the comb is just too low, and it's hard for me to get a consistent cheek weld. I'm going to try adjusting comb height first.
My main shooting problem at the present moment seems to be cheek weld. At shoots the instructors generally compliment me on my form, and when I point out I'm having problems, it's really hard for them to spot anything. But I know there's a problem. My head just can't seem to stay put, even with a layer of closed-cell foam on top of the stock. To secure my head position, I can press my cheek down hard on the foam on the stock (after turkey-necking, of course), but then I can't see the sights at all. I just see the stock. To see the sights, I'll have to raise my head a bit, but that's not a position I can repeat exactly every time.
At the start of the day when I'm new and fresh, I can hold my head in that position. But as I get more and more tired towards the end of the day, I have less and less control over my head position. So at the last shoot, the first target had shots touching each other, and generally small groups. Towards the end of the day, sometimes the shots didn't even make it to the paper. The groups were quite a bit bigger.
I'm not sure whether this means I need an even higher comb (than just one layer of closed-cell foam). It seems like you do have to use your musculature to keep your head in the right position. But then it also seems like I need to work out the comb height problem first.
I have to agree, taller cheek piece is needed.
If all you see is stock, when you have good cheek weld.
I use these one my rifles. Infinitely adjustable. Easy to swap from rifle to rifle. Has a zippered pouch on one side, velcro, detachable shell loops inside and out. Works well for both scopes and Tech Sights. You can put the vet wrap/pipe foam under them if you want to build the comb up even higher.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/mac66/DSCN0467.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/mac66/DSCN0470.jpg)
Pretty cheap as well. Best price I've found is here...
http://airsoft-club.com/shop/tactical-gear/pouch/ammo-pouch
Yeah, I know airsoft crap, but I've used one on my hunting rifle for about 7 years before I figured out they were good for Appleseed.
I was wondering how to determine the the proper stock length for me, when I came upon this link:
http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f18/how-measure-your-length-pull-5551/#post31562
According to this method, my rifle stock is about right for me. Is this method right, by the way?
I got a thicker foam piece, which seems to allow a more secure cheek weld. I'll see whether this translates into more consistent groups. If it does, then I'll look for a more durable cheek piece with the same height.
It occurred to me to check on something. The Tech Sights are a little taller than the stock sights the rifle came with. The difference in height is about the increase in comb height I need. That makes me think Ruger got the dimensions more or less right for the average man, and the average man will need a comb adjustment for the Tech Sights. That also makes me think that the comb height problem may be more common than is realized. I, for one, didn't get this problem diagnosed until my second Appleseed. Or maybe other people just have a face that can adapt better to slightly higher sights...
Quote from: SSG Platz on June 15, 2012, 01:14:30 AM
Yes, consider it confirmed
~PlatzOut~
Quote from: K2011 on June 15, 2012, 12:39:31 AM
Quote from: Stand on June 13, 2012, 10:59:06 AM
That would make sense as the scope mount sets the scope off to the side. Haven't seen one in person. Here is the website from shotgun news ad: www.pacificcanvasandleather.com.
Can anyone confirm that the M1 leather cheek pad is off to the side when mounted on the stock? I am guessing that won't do for a Ruger 10/22 with Tech Sights.
I'll second that confirmation and add substance to your guess that it won't do.
It's not made to raise the comb, rather bring it over to the scope side.
It's highly unlikely that you'll even be able to look down the sights with it in place.
If you want something that's not fome, and you are somewhat mechanically inclined you can make one out of wood put some pegs in it and drill some holes in your stock, I know a few people who have done this and it worked out really well for them.
~PlatzOut~
K2011,
An easier way to see if "Length of pull" is right on your rifle is grab the pistol grip the way you do when shooting then put the butt of the rifle in your elbow, arm bent 90 degrees. It should come right up to the bend of your elbow. If space between the butt and your arm measure that and that is the amount you need to add. If it is hitting your bicep not allowing your arm to bend it is too long.
HTH
Stand
Quote from: K2011 on June 17, 2012, 04:24:13 AM
I was wondering how to determine the the proper stock length for me, when I came upon this link:
http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f18/how-measure-your-length-pull-5551/#post31562
According to this method, my rifle stock is about right for me. Is this method right, by the way?
I got a thicker foam piece, which seems to allow a more secure cheek weld. I'll see whether this translates into more consistent groups. If it does, then I'll look for a more durable cheek piece with the same height.
It occurred to me to check on something. The Tech Sights are a little taller than the stock sights the rifle came with. The difference in height is about the increase in comb height I need. That makes me think Ruger got the dimensions more or less right for the average man, and the average man will need a comb adjustment for the Tech Sights. That also makes me think that the comb height problem may be more common than is realized. I, for one, didn't get this problem diagnosed until my second Appleseed. Or maybe other people just have a face that can adapt better to slightly higher sights...
It's actually a common problem that people tend to overlook, if you cannot drop down behind your rifle and get good cheek weld, and sight puncture fairly quick, AKA your moving your face around a lot before and during your SOF there is a good chance you need to adjust your comb hight. As far as LOP goes its better to be to short than to long. I prefer a shorter LOP than what most people consider Ideal.
~PlatzOut~
After trying several different foam solutions, I have found that rigid cheekrests are better and more repeatable for me.
The cheekpads I pictured before are used with Tech Sights. They are just right. They need a bit of foam under them for a scope however.
Does anybody have any experience drilling or making modifications to a Hogue Overmolded stock? Am considering one of those Karsten's adjustable cheek rests but did not want to destroy or compromise my stock. The Vetwrap/foam combo seems to compress when it gets hot. Additionally I am tired of making modifications and want something more permanent.
Ruger builds the 10/22 for average sized humans. I am 6'2'', LOP is 16" (my mother used to tell me I had ape arms) which meant two additions to the butt. The Limbsaver with a piece of foam fixed that. I had just had to special-order my Orange Hat (just earned Rifleman this past weekend) to fit my big size 8 blockhead. Additionally, as a wearer of tri-focals with adjusted vision at 80/20, I have been through the Ruger stock sights, TechSights and have since moved on to a scope. The Nikon Rimfire an excellent scope.
Do not want to whine, just want to be able to reproduce the proper positions as easily and consistently as possible.
On a positive note, I have learned valuable lessons about all of these modifications that I will hopefully be able to pass on to future Appleseeders.
Invictus, I don't think anyone thinks you're whining. I'm beginning to see that a properly fitted stock does help you shoot better. I'm now wondering why Appleseed events don't start with a "does your rifle fit you" session.
There is an adjustable 10/22 stock (both length & comb height, I believe) from a third-party manufacturer. I can't recall the name at the moment. But that may be the neatest solution for you, though perhaps not the cheapest. (I think I can get away with just a comb height adjustment.)
Thanks
Bought an adjustable Fajen stockon ebay just waiting to tap the holes for the swivels.
I also agree about the "Does your rifle fit" concept. I needed 7 Appleseeds to earn my patch. Did not learn about LOP until my 4th AS. As mentioned many obstacles to overcome but I did. I also understand that the time constraint would enter in to it. Think how much time is spent Saturday mornings just on sighting in rifles. My solution, become an instructor so that there are more instructors which would hopefully provide a better ratio thus allowing for more one on one time.
IM That is a great suggetion.
Rifle fit is often overlooked when there is a mix of new shooters and more experienced shooters, like last weekend.
Fitting is best done working one on one as you pointed out more instructors means more face time and attention to details.
Since you thought it up write up a POI for rifle fit. >:D
Than ks for stepping up!
Stand ;D
Quote from: Invictus Maneo link=topic=30077.msg226651#
My solution, become an instructor so that there are more instructors which would hopefully provide a better ratio thus allowing for more one on one time.
I like how you think!
It's chalanging to fit everything that one needs to know into an Appleseed weekend, granted there are broad strokes that are covered but sometimes the fine details are washed out by the time constraints and skill level of the group. LOP is one of those things I try to look for on every shooter, but I don't always get to every shooter. Also there are so many varbles that we are looking for an an instructor sometimes it takes 7 shoots to work all the kinks out.
~PlatzOut~
Also, the fit changes as you figure out your technique.
My needs changed as I adjusted my Cheek Weld/Shoulder pocket/Trigger finger/Grip/posture....
LOP is a good start though
It's not fancy, but it looks pretty good on the synthetic stocks is the ATI adapter for FN's and it's inexpensive too. Trims up easy with a Dremal cutter to fit to your stock. I've attached a couple pic's of the ATI mounted up, first is a Marlin 795 the other is a Rem 597 ACC.