In the near future I going to be able to afford an AR-10 variant in .308 Winchester. What do you like and why? At the top of my list right now are:
LMT 308 Modular Weapon System
LaRue Tactical OBR
Don't worry too much about the budget and feel free to suggest anything in or close to the category so long as it is really worth the money.
I realize this could be a heated topic and hope we all keep it civilized. :) I really am looking for information to make a decision on.
Thanks!
24" heavy barrel: I like it, everybody else whines about the weight.
20" mid contour barrel: It's a bit lighter, but they still whine.
Mine are DPMS uppers on TM lowers, the 20" has a cheap muzzle brake on it which tames recoil significantly (not that recoil in this platform is a problem).
I've used iron sights and optics on the Larue cantilevered mount (I like the Larue).
Reloading using the online Hodgden web manual resulted in a significant overload. Compare your load recipie using more than one published source to validate your data.
Quote from: eaglescouter on June 04, 2012, 10:11:38 PM
Reloading using the online Hodgden web manual resulted in a significant overload. Compare your load recipie using more than one published source to validate your data.
I am not to the reloading stage yet but I am saving my brass for when I do.
Thankfully there haven't been many responses yet, so when I share my opinion, hopefully it won't seem like I'm stepping on anyone's toes personally. :) I don't mean to, but I've done a lot of research in this area and have a pretty strong opinion.
The most important question you have to answer for yourself is, "What do I want to do with it?" That answer will greatly impact your decision process.
First, if you just want a fun paper puncher and don't mind if something breaks every now and then, or it goes down until you do a thorough cleaning, most will serve you well. However, if you want something you can "depend on", there are many brands to avoid and only a few I trust. I never even considered AR-10s over my beloved M1A's a few years ago because the reliability just wasn't there. Then once some major armed forces started adopting and issuing AR-10 variants (Brits and New Zealand), I began my deep research. There are a few dependable ones out there now, but the two that probably top the list are the LMT MWS and Larue PredatAR/OBR.
After a long time, I narrowed my choices down to the above two. I chose the 16" Larue PredatAR. My reasoning came down basically to one thing: weight. (Although I greatly desired the more traditional gas impingement system of the PredatAR for parts availability if things got scarce in the future.)
I wanted the best 0-700 yard do-it-all "battle rifle". The PredatAR is light enough to carry all day, balances very well and comes up quickly for CQB work, maneuverability, and follow up shots... and as you saw at our IBC in March, I could hit the 20" steel all day long with no misses (after I got my ACOG zeroed.) :)
If you want more of a specialized, designated marksman type rifle where maybe 800-1000 yards is really important to you, or you don't plan to ever carry it much, and you want to squeak out an extra 0.5 MOA or something, then you should look at the LMT MWS. Or if you think the LMT quick-change ability of that platform would be important to you. For me it's not.
PM Posterboy as he is very happy with his MWS. The weight isn't that much different when I held both, but I probably would notice it after a long weekend hike.
But since I run my PredatAR great up close, and kept 2-3 MOA groups rapid fire with a USGI sling at 500 yards with surplus South African ball.... there's no way I'd consider something heavier let alone a 20-24" barrel for my uses described above. I'll admit after I got mine and then later read about the release of their heavier barrel PredOBR, I thought maybe I went the wrong way. But then once I rang that 500 yard steel at will I reaffirmed I made the right choice.
Good luck!
I bought a Rock River Arms Standard Operator last summer and have really enjoyed getting to know it and using it. It has a 20" cryo treated barrel and looks like the typical battle rifle. I really did not want a stainless barrel but did want the Smith Vortex flash hider. My idea for this was more of an long range "attitude adjuster" than a hunting rifle, even though this does perform the hunting mission quite well. At 10 lbs, I was forced to beef up my shoulders a bit to be able to shoot from the standing position well. It comes with flip up sights and I added a Nikon BCD with a Burris PEPRS QD mount. Last time I did a KD AQT I scored 212 and at 400 yds in slow fire prone I could cover all 10 M80 rounds with my palm.
I had looked at the LMT and was pretty set on that until I got around to the $. The RRA can be found for about $1400, maybe a bit less. I am totally happy with it and would say at least take a look at it.
The best AR-10s come in 5.56 and are called "AR-15s." :---
Quote from: slim on June 05, 2012, 12:41:23 AM
The best AR-10s come in 5.56 and are called "AR-15s." :---
Is my Colt 6920 with an EOTech 552 mounted on it good enough to cover that category? :)
If you want the most accurate rifle, go with the ORB from Larue, they are sub MOA gas gun and IMHO the best thing out there at the moment. Let me know what you decide, I get a discount from them.
~PlatzOut~
larue OBR no question about it. if money isn't a concern then that is where it's at. I have a stealth ar and it's crazy accurate. mark makes some sick sick kit to say the least and they stand behind there product no questions asked.
We have a DPMS LR-10 20"and like it a lot. Just getting it broke in so haven't worked up a load yet but have run 150-180grs. Runs on anything, no problem....O.L.
I posted this on a different forum awhile ago and thought to share.
What I did with my $4000.
Armalite AR10 SASS
Leupold 4.5-14X M4 FF with Horus reticle (I use hold overs)
ARMS #36 S-EX Swan sleeve + medium rings
USGI M1 Garand type sling (I don't use a bipod)
7 mags(25 rounders) and a field parts kit
A slew of DAG surplus ammo (not part of the $4000)
What I can do with my $4000
From the prone with a sling, 5" groups at 300yds
Range and hit 20" targets 100% out to 500 yds.
Range and hit 20" targets 9 out of 10 at 600 yds.
Range and hit 20" targets 7 out of 10 at 700 yds.
Practice more at the 600 and 700 because DAG is only 40 cents each.
Because I'm not tied to a bipod I can adjust to the different ranges very fast but this is more of a battle rifle discipline and to make high probability hits past 700 yds one will need to use a quality bipod and match ammo. Knowing this, if for a few hundred dollars more and my set-up will deliver all the 308 is capable of, why spend more?
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I have the LMT. Laser.
It fell into my lap and was as new at price a I couldn't refuse. Mine is similar to the PredatAR accuracy wise with surplus ammo..but with good stuff it shoots .05 MOA off a bipod @100 as is outta the box no mods ( 16" cl barrel). It is 2 lbs heavier true...but the difference isn't as noticeable with the set up I have ( leupold-1.5-5x) Is it as accurrate as the OBR? no but .05 moa is more then plenty for me. I see the OBR as a precision platform where as I see the LMT as a DM role.. capable as a battle rifle 0-500 but accurate for the 800-1000 if needed matched with skill to drive it. Approaching 400 rnds on mine with marginal field style cleaning..no problems whatsoever. I also agree that the 16" barrel is plenty. It will get out to 1000 and if I were to want to go further then I would rather have a different caliber and perhaps tool.
SSG Platz you are my new special friend where were you 6 months ago lol ! >:D Think he will tell you that the LMT and the OBR are similar in weight dept but as I said are kinda of two different role rifles.
After seeing and shooting MeanStreakers LaRue ...you really can't make a "wrong" choice. They make an awesome rifle be it the predaTAr or the OBR. I of course am happy with my LMT. You are going to have a BIG smile which ever way you decide to go that is all you need to remember. >:D
(http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx6/nemthmic/Target1-1.jpg)
I went with a P.O.F. 308, 20" barrel. It has a Magpul stock and the H-rail top. H rail is where the pitcatiny rail has a void or drop down section to allow for larger optics and stay close to the barrel. As far optics I put a Trijicon 5.5x50 on it. My goal is to shoot 1000 yds. How does it shoot? Don't know yet. I'm trying to find a way to attach a sling to the bottom of the stock. I want to use the 1.25 swivel. ANY IDEAS OUT THERE? ~ Two Wolves
You really can't make a wrong choice here, and I wish I had enough money to have the same dilemma.
That said, I'd go with the LaRue, if it was me, simply because they have a greater reputation for accuracy.
Quote from: Two Wolves on June 05, 2012, 10:33:50 AM
I went with a P.O.F. 308, 20" barrel. It has a Magpul stock and the H-rail top. H rail is where the pitcatiny rail has a void or drop down section to allow for larger optics and stay close to the barrel. As far optics I put a Trijicon 5.5x50 on it. My goal is to shoot 1000 yds. How does it shoot? Don't know yet. I'm trying to find a way to attach a sling to the bottom of the stock. I want to use the 1.25 swivel. ANY IDEAS OUT THERE? ~ Two Wolves
Keep working at it, and you will be shooting the Riflemans Mile in no time, for a 308 now days, 1,000 nothing.
~PlatzOut~
Two Wolves,
What MagPul stock are you using? Most of them have the QD holes. I have a CTR on the AR15 that I'm putting together and it has the QD holes. See pictures.
Charlie
Quote from: Two Wolves on June 05, 2012, 10:33:50 AM
I went with a P.O.F. 308, 20" ba. I'm trying to find a way to attach a sling to the bottom of the stock. I want to use the 1.25 swivel. ANY IDEAS OUT THERE? ~ Two Wolves
to attach to the bottom rail:
http://www.cdnninvestments.com/qudeswwpimod.html
Quote from: TN_Dadx5 on June 06, 2012, 12:05:36 PM
Two Wolves,
What MagPul stock are you using? Most of them have the QD holes. I have a CTR on the AR15 that I'm putting together and it has the QD holes. See pictures.
Charlie
I was wanting to use the hole at the bottom of the butt stock. Surely someone has a fix for this? Just asking. Thanks in advance for your thoughts, Two Wolves
Sorry about hijacking the thread EdHeler... :(
TW, if I wanted to use the bottom I would drill a hole vertically and use a regular swivel stud with the nut slipped into the hole at the bottom of the buttstock. You will have to shorten the stud so it didn't hit the screw that holds on the recoil pad.
Charlie
Quote from: TN_Dadx5 on June 06, 2012, 05:29:51 PM
Sorry about hijacking the thread Edheler... :(
No problem at all - I think I have the data I need to make a decision. The difficult part as always is actually making the decision. :)
Post pics.
:pics:
Quote from: Two Wolves on June 05, 2012, 10:33:50 AM
I went with a P.O.F. 308, 20" barrel. It has a Magpul stock and the H-rail top. H rail is where the pitcatiny rail has a void or drop down section to allow for larger optics and stay close to the barrel. As far optics I put a Trijicon 5.5x50 on it. My goal is to shoot 1000 yds. How does it shoot? Don't know yet. I'm trying to find a way to attach a sling to the bottom of the stock. I want to use the 1.25 swivel. ANY IDEAS OUT THERE? ~ Two Wolves
Get one of these:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/625257/grovtec-heavy-duty-push-button-quick-detach-sling-swivel-set-1-1-4-steel-black?cm_vc=wishList (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/625257/grovtec-heavy-duty-push-button-quick-detach-sling-swivel-set-1-1-4-steel-black?cm_vc=wishList)
Add a half inch drill bit, some JB weld and some black spray paint. Then you get this....
Turkey neck/ cheek weld is more consistent when the cheek piece does not move or change. I like the Magpul UBR for this reason. The PRS cheek riser is too far back. Remember that a collapsible stock on an AR 10 needs an extra short buffer. I think its 2 3/4 inch.
Quote from: Edheler on June 06, 2012, 05:49:41 PMThe difficult part as always is actually making the decision. :)
Not for me. That's the easy part. "I want one."
Finding the means to fund said venture is the difficult part. :'(
Didn't they make something like this back in the '50s? I think they called it an "FAL". Just sayin'. ^-^
Green Bean---just for you.
Quote from: zamboni_driver on June 06, 2012, 09:05:55 PM
Get one of these:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/625257/grovtec-heavy-duty-push-button-quick-detach-sling-swivel-set-1-1-4-steel-black?cm_vc=wishList (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/625257/grovtec-heavy-duty-push-button-quick-detach-sling-swivel-set-1-1-4-steel-black?cm_vc=wishList)
Add a half inch drill bit, some JB weld and some black spray paint. Then you get this....
Thanks for your suggestion and picture. I'll have to get over my sticker shock before I go to JB Weld. I can't believe that some one hasn't addressed this issue with a simple and clean adaptor. Regards~ Two Wolves.
Quote from: Two Wolves on June 07, 2012, 12:56:42 AM
Thanks for your suggestion and picture. I'll have to get over my sticker shock before I go to JB Weld. I can't believe that some one hasn't addressed this issue with a simple and clean adaptor. Regards~ Two Wolves.
I assume you mean sticker shock for the Magpul UBR. I used a CTR which is still around $70 but the fact that the Magpul stocks lock down tight with no wiggle at all is why I bought mine.
Quote from: zamboni_driver on June 07, 2012, 09:43:59 AM
Quote from: Two Wolves on June 07, 2012, 12:56:42 AM
Thanks for your suggestion and picture. I'll have to get over my sticker shock before I go to JB Weld. I can't believe that some one hasn't addressed this issue with a simple and clean adaptor. Regards~ Two Wolves.
I assume you mean sticker shock for the Magpul UBR. I used a CTR which is still around $70 but the fact that the Magpul stocks lock down tight with no wiggle at all is why I bought mine.
Actually, I mean the sticker shock of a new rifle. Your solution is well taken and may be the route I have to go. I'm envisioning a bracket that slips over the hole on both sides of the stock and has a screw that holds it in place. I was hoping someone had addressed this issue in that manner. Back to the drawing board. ~Two Wolves
Quote from: EZ3 on June 06, 2012, 11:47:57 PM
Didn't they make something like this back in the '50s? I think they called it an "FAL". Just sayin'. ^-^
The FAL can't touch an AR .308 platform in terms of accuracy. They aren't AK bad, but they still don't come close.
For what the FAL is its a fantastic rifle, the fact of the matter is this, it was originally designed to fire an intermediate cartrage, I forget exactly the specific round but it was suppose to be between a 5.56 and 308, it unfortunately, or fortunately however you want to look at was set to come out at the same time as NATO decided that they would standardize their weapons to 9mm, 5.56x45, and 7.62x51. So with that said, FN pulled back and redesigned a few things to accommodate the larger 308 round and what you end up with is a rifle that is stretched to the utmost limits of its parts. And I have to say for a battle rifle they are extremely accurate.
Now if I was going to get a semi auto 308 and price was of no concern to me I would buy a MK 14, or a M39 basicly the same rifle but with subtle differences none the less.
~PlatzOut~
I like my LMT + ACOG setup a lot. It holds about .75 MOA with good ammo, a bipod, and me driving it.
While it is heavy, it balances and shoots as nicely as my Garand. That said, the only way to go wrong between the LMT and the Larue is to buy an M1A
I may be partial, but I will cast my vote for the LR308. I have owned several and found each to be reliable and very accurate.
My Current Setup:
LR308 AP4
CAA G27 Pistol Grip
Jerry Miculek Muzzle Brake (LOUD! But really does what it is supposed to perfectly)
YHM Gas Block w top rail & bottom bayonet adapter
PNS Anti Walkout Pins
Larue SPR-E Mount with Offset Rail
Docter Mini Red Dot on Larue Offset Mount
Burris 3x12x50mm EuroDiamond Scope with Ballistic Plex reticule
Timney 3lb Single Stage Skeletonized Trigger
Using both factory mags and PMAGS I haven't had any problems. And unlike some other .308s, it isn't finicky about ammo.
Quote from: SSG Platz on June 11, 2012, 02:08:56 AM
For what the FAL is its a fantastic rifle, the fact of the matter is this, it was originally designed to fire an intermediate cartrage, I forget exactly the specific round but it was suppose to be between a 5.56 and 308, it unfortunately, or fortunately however you want to look at was set to come out at the same time as NATO decided that they would standardize their weapons to 9mm, 5.56x45, and 7.62x51.
Maybe the 6.8x43 Remington SPC?
GABEC----PNS Anti Walkout Pins?
Could it be KNS? Just asking~Two Wolves
Quote from: Two Wolves on July 24, 2012, 10:08:21 PM
GABEC----PNS Anti Walkout Pins?
Could it be KNS? Just asking~Two Wolves
Yes it's KNS, that's what I get for trying to type quickly before dinner. :)
Quote from: GoldFish on July 24, 2012, 09:52:46 PM
Maybe the 6.8x43 Remington SPC?
The first prototype FAL's fired 7.92x33. Later the Brits tried it out in 280 British before NATO went the 5.56 & 7.62 route.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_FAL
The 6.8 SPC came along in the early 2000's.
Thank you, I was about to post that the 6.8 is a fairly new invention. People have been on a quest to find something that is an intermediate rou d between the 308 and the 5.56 for some time now. It will be interesting to see where many of the rounds end up in the future.
Quote from: Caliper on July 25, 2012, 12:05:36 AM
Quote from: GoldFish on July 24, 2012, 09:52:46 PM
Maybe the 6.8x43 Remington SPC?
The first prototype FAL's fired 7.92x33. Later the Brits tried it out in 280 British before NATO went the 5.56 & 7.62 route.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_FAL
The 6.8 SPC came along in the early 2000's.
:shootself: What I read and what my brain interpreted were two different things; for some strange reason, I thought it was the FN
SCAR, not the FAL.
Sorry 'bout the brain fart. #)
Quote from: Caliper on July 25, 2012, 12:05:36 AM
Quote from: GoldFish on July 24, 2012, 09:52:46 PM
Maybe the 6.8x43 Remington SPC?
The first prototype FAL's fired 7.92x33. Later the Brits tried it out in 280 British before NATO went the 5.56 & 7.62 route.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_FAL
The 6.8 SPC came along in the early 2000's.
Hey Slim,
Tell'em about the N.E.M.O.-OMEN you and ItsanSKS were playing with at the NRA Convention!
There was a pic of him holding it, in the AAR
.308 my least favorite round$.02
What do you have against the 308?
~PlatzOut~
Sly -- I seem to remember a night after a Myakka AS where you were rather vocal on the ins and outs of southern Florida feral hog hunting. I don't seem to recall any references to the use of 223's when it came to big, ticked-off, hybrid feral hogs. However, I do seem to remember discussions about projectiles in the 30 caliber range that weighed over 150 grains. Am I mistaken? ::) See ya.
Dick
Quote from: SSG Platz on July 27, 2012, 10:10:19 PM
What do you have against the 308?
~PlatzOut~
I was wondering the same thing - for efficiency, versatility, and knock-down power 7.62 is my preference.
I have nothing against an AR15 - I own a highly accurate Fulton Armory A2 match-conditioned service rifle (it shoots better than I can hold :wb:) and a very effective Rock River M4 for CQB/3-Gun, but would rather shoot one of my M14s instead of an AR10. :---
Some like Chevys and some like Fords... how fortunate we are to have such a dilemma. O0
Quote from: Edheler on June 04, 2012, 09:59:57 PM
In the near future I going to be able to afford an AR-10 variant in .308 Winchester. What do you like and why? At the top of my list right now are:
LMT 308 Modular Weapon System
LaRue Tactical OBR
Don't worry too much about the budget and feel free to suggest anything in or close to the category so long as it is really worth the money.
I realize this could be a heated topic and hope we all keep it civilized. :) I really am looking for information to make a decision on.
Thanks!
Mine is an LR-308 DPMS
Has a Bushnell 4200 Mil Dot
24" fluted bull barrel.
IDPA size steel targets at 1000 yards are a no brainer. Put scope on 6X, hold on 4th MD down and let her fly.
175 grain Nosler Comp, 43.6 grains Varget, Lapua brass at 2700 fps. Sub MOA.
Most milsurp in this rig is 2MOA or less. Gives my Remy 5R a run for it's money.
Near perfection in a stock rig.
I personally have experienced a lot of Malf's with this particular round,It's expensive,I go to the 30-06.
.308 in a Garand,is great if someone else foots the bill.The ones on the AR style platform seem to Jam a lot(IMHO)
I like the7.62x54,PSL,Mostly needs to be cheap available and powerful enough to be effective out to 1000yrds.
The malf's were when I was just learning and I think the guy next to me was too he reloaded and got an squib,I too have since done this with my .223.
Contrary to my forum name, I am not a real strong advocate of the .223,We (AMERICA)have not won a war since it inception.
Ol'Fudd you are correct Sir,I would not hunt a hog down here with a .223 all though I have,On hogs I have this to say,growin' up a hog was 160-200lbs.Now, 320lbsers are avg. size and they are now very deadly beasts.
Me vocal? **)
That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard, the 5.56 round has nothing to do with winning or loosing wars, the politicians that tie our hands on the other hand do. And two we have done pretty well with firepower superiority since we adopted the 5.56. Granted I'm sure plenty of people have heard me say it's a fantastic round for killing things, but horribly bad for letting them know they are dead.
~PlatzOut~
The funny thing is that does not even register as one of the top ten,
most ridiculous things I have ever said! ..:..
It's all good, don't quite understand though why you dont like 308 because some guy reloaded a bunch of it and had issues I don't think should reflect on the rou d but your friends reloading skills. I don't think the military would use a round that jams and misfires all the time. Hock up the cash to buy some factory made ammunition and then tell me you don't like it after you hit targets at 1600 meters.
~PlatzOut~
I don't necessarily think any thing ill of the .308 round,
the only negatives are availability and price.
The Ar platforms in my limited experience have been finicky.
I am priced right out of this one, as I said earlier as long as someone else foots the bill.
Sidebar, do you carry a.556or .308 in the sandbox?
I don't understand about advalablility or price, you can find 308 everywhere, and it's about 65 cents a round. Any NATO round (9mm, 5.56, and 308) can be found anywhere. Also to answer your question both, I even had a 50 BMG in my arsenal, but didn't have the opportunity to use it other than the range.
~PlatzOut~
Quote from: TaosGlock on July 28, 2012, 01:55:05 AM
Mine is an LR-308 DPMS
Has a Bushnell 4200 Mil Dot
24" fluted bull barrel.
IDPA size steel targets at 1000 yards are a no brainer. Put scope on 6X, hold on 4th MD down and let her fly.
175 grain Nosler Comp, 43.6 grains Varget, Lapua brass at 2700 fps. Sub MOA.
Most milsurp in this rig is 2MOA or less. Gives my Remy 5R a run for it's money.
Near perfection in a stock rig.
Yep, similar DPMS set up here only a 20" standard barrel, sub moa off a bench with handloads and sub 3 in the hands of a good seeder. Fairly new gun, about 750 rounds so far, half handloads, half factory...Zero malfunctions other than one messed up mag. Maybe we could have spent $500-$1000 more to enjoy some of those malfunctions?......O.L.
Quote from: oladcock on July 28, 2012, 09:18:34 PM
Quote from: TaosGlock on July 28, 2012, 01:55:05 AM
Mine is an LR-308 DPMS
Has a Bushnell 4200 Mil Dot
24" fluted bull barrel.
IDPA size steel targets at 1000 yards are a no brainer. Put scope on 6X, hold on 4th MD down and let her fly.
175 grain Nosler Comp, 43.6 grains Varget, Lapua brass at 2700 fps. Sub MOA.
Most milsurp in this rig is 2MOA or less. Gives my Remy 5R a run for it's money.
Near perfection in a stock rig.
Yep, similar DPMS set up here only a 20" standard barrel, sub moa off a bench with handloads and sub 3 in the hands of a good seeder. Fairly new gun, about 750 rounds so far, half handloads, half factory...Zero malfunctions other than one messed up mag. Maybe we could have spent $500-$1000 more to enjoy some of those malfunctions?......O.L.
Haha. I did a lot of research before deciding on the LR. Haven't regretted it once.
Sly -- just teasin you 'cause you're fun to tease. Certainly no malice meant. Now, for you folks who reload 308 (and other calibers too) I want to share a Nosler website where you can buy "over-runs" and blemished projectiles at around half price for some good stuff. Stuff comes and goes, so when you see what you want/need, jump on it.
The site is www.shootersproshop.com. I figure that by using nosler over-runs/blems, I can reload 308 using their competition projectiles for a total cost at about $0.25 per round. They also sometimes offer their hunting projectiles at deep discounts too.
Now I've gotten some experience in loading 308s, I've had NO malf's for any reason for the last couple of years. The biggest hurtle I had to learn is that with gas guns, headspacing (setback) of the shoulder was my biggest variable for reliability. Once I got this figured out, no malf's. Hope all this helps.
See ya.
Dick
Thanks, site bookmarked
~PlatzOut~
Quote from: Sly223 on July 27, 2012, 06:51:53 PM
Tell'em about the N.E.M.O.-OMEN you and ItsanSKS were playing with at the NRA Convention!
Heh, NEMO (New Evolution Military Ordinance) recently released what is basicly an AR-10 platform chambered in .300 Win Mag. The thing's built like a tank and supposedly shoots pretty nice. It's a nice rifle, but not the most pratical; in a semi-auto platform, a .300 Win Mag's accuracy is going to diminish long before the catridge's potential does.
Here's the pic of ItsanSKS with it at the NRACon in St. Louis earlier this year.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7226/6942260104_76c4f058bf_z.jpg)
It would be interesting if Larue comes out with an OBR chambered in 300 win mag. For a long range gas blow back that's the only one I would get.
~PlatzOut~
The price tag on that Rifle was 3700$
It is very Sweet! Itsansks now lives in AK(where the .300 might come in handy) and might be getting one! ..:..
IDE pay that if it was .4 moa or better
~PlatzOut~
I handled the new Armalite AR-10 National Match at vendors row at Camp Perry yesterday.. I haven't warmed up to the AR-10's as of yet but I gotta say I'm VERY impressed. A4 configuration, all the bells and whistles one would expect on a service match rifle, and a hefty 11.5 lbs.. Developed with AMU, so I'm thinking this one has potential...
BeSwift
I also drilled and tapped the handguard to install a YHM 3" rail so I could use my Atlas bipod. Typically it has an MS3 sling on it, but was trying out the Bushmaster single point that locks on the castle nut. Pretty nice sling for the money.
(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u53/gabenash/95f076d5.png)
Nice Rifle!
Have you been to an Appleseed?
Bi-pod?
Sling?
Quote from: Sly223 on August 05, 2012, 04:54:37 PM
Nice Rifle!
Have you been to an Appleseed?
Bi-pod?
Sling?
Haha, yeah I normally run a 2 point sling, but was just trying out the single point on a heavier rifle when I took the pic. As far as the bipod goes, as good as shooting with just the support of your body is I like to cheat a bit hunting. :)
Were you in Fl last Summer?
Gabe is not that common of a first name.
We had a young soldier here on leave with his girlfriend last summer,just wonderin' it is a small world!
Quote from: Sly223 on August 06, 2012, 12:58:50 PM
Were you in Fl last Summer?
Gabe is not that common of a first name.
We had a young soldier here on leave with his girlfriend last summer,just wonderin' it is a small world!
No it really isn't very common, but that wasn't me. I wish I was in FL last Summer however.
How do you like the atlas? I have both Harris and a crappy Blackhawk right now, was thinking about investing in an atlas.
~PlatzOut~
Well,
Come on down if you get the chance.
Keep in touch,
I will make sure the Fl crew welcomes you with open arms,
and whats left of our Red Carpet.
Let us know what where and when and we will help set you up with accommodations, and anything else possible.
Quote from: SSG Platz on August 06, 2012, 09:13:42 PM
How do you like the atlas? I have both Harris and a crappy Blackhawk right now, was thinking about investing in an atlas.
~PlatzOut~
I love it. Totally blows my Harris stuff out of the water. I went with the one with the American Defense mount (LW-17) and am glad I did. I do a lot of coyote and varmint hunting, and wanted something that would adapt to any ground contour. It's a lot of money, but the quality is excellent.
Nice, I'm glad to hear you like it, my next project for my rifle is an adjustable comb, looks like I'm putting a picitinny bipod rail on as well now.
~PlatzOut~
I did a lot of looking into this topic myself recently, and the only one I came up with that satisfied my requirements (short of a custom job) is the Armalite AR-10, since it is the only one I could get that has a 20", chrome lined, lighter-profile barrel. Plus Armalite has been in the .308 AR game longer than most (since the early '90s or so), and by now they have a pretty well-refined product that, according to many who have run it hard, is quite reliable.
It seems like all the other vendors are stuck on either short carbine barrels, or big fat heavy target barrels. For something that I plan on using at distance, I want AT LEAST 18", but for a battle rifle I want it light enough to hump through the country. I prefer the 22" of my M1A, but an AR platform is prohibitively heavy for field use with that length.
For now I am just "making do" with my good old M1A. ;) A 2 MOA rifle still gets me hits out past 700 yards if I make a good call on range and wind. Works fine for me. If I need better than that, I go to a bolt gun. But I have to say, the AR has certain advantages over the old M1A... namely accuracy, ease of mounting optics, modularity, and they are much easier to swap barrels and bolts on in the field with limited tools (no need to lap or ream to get headspace with the AR design).