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Title: Mag change without lowering the Stock from your shoulder pocket?
Post by: Justsomedude on April 26, 2012, 05:15:03 PM
Can you change Mags on a 10/22 without dropping your hold?

I can do it on my Mossberg 702 but just when I think Ive got it down I will miss and it takes a long time to get it in.
the mags are so small on these .22...On an AR it is easy.

Is it better to practice it in a way that you can get right every time?
i.e. rolling the rifle to the side (keeping your support hand in place) and 'looking' the mag into the well
Title: Re: Mag change without lowering the Stock from your shoulder pocket?
Post by: aragornelessar86 on April 26, 2012, 05:28:19 PM
The only thing that moves when I mag change is my trigger forearm and hand, and the magazine.
Title: Re: Mag change without lowering the Stock from your shoulder pocket?
Post by: GEmanuel on April 26, 2012, 06:04:59 PM
The short answer is yes you can and you should.
Get yourself into a room suitable for dry firing. NO AMMUNITION IS TO BE IN THIS ROOM, PERIOD! Check the mags and rifle several times please.
Now, get into position and get your steady hold factors established properly. Next check your NPOA ( the screw on a switch plate makes a great target) Now pick up your mags (as many as you have or can) with your trigger hand and raise it to alongside the receiver and close your eyes. Next with your eyes closed set the mags down. You have just established your Natural Point of Magazine.
Reach down and pick up a mag, do not look at what you are doing feel your way, place the mag into the well, rack the bolt, check your NPOA and dry fire.
With your trigger hand and arm being the only things that move, eject the first mag and pick up the second, load the second mag, rack the bolt, verify your NPOA and dry fire.
Repeat, repeat, repeat until you can change mags w/o changing your NPOA.
This may all be clumsy at first, this is normal. Go slooowly, and smoothly, speed comes with practice, and speed will always be smooth.
Is this easy? Probably not. But, if it was easy would it be worth doing? No
Remember, NO AMMUNITION IN THE ROOM WHEN YOUR ARE DRY FIRING IN THE HOUSE, PERIOD!!
Quote from: Justsomedude on April 26, 2012, 05:15:03 PM
Can you change Mags on a 10/22 without dropping your hold?

I can do it on my Mossberg 702 but just when I think Ive got it down I will miss and it takes a long time to get it in.
the mags are so small on these .22...On an AR it is easy.

Is it better to practice it in a way that you can get right every time?
i.e. rolling the rifle to the side (keeping your support hand in place) and 'looking' the mag into the well
Title: Re: Mag change without lowering the Stock from your shoulder pocket?
Post by: Roland on April 26, 2012, 11:35:06 PM
What GEmanuel said.

I can do it. But only after hours and hours of practice.

Might be easier if you installed a really long mag release.

Roland
Title: Re: Mag change without lowering the Stock from your shoulder pocket?
Post by: asminuteman on April 27, 2012, 12:01:41 AM
I agree with you gent's...

I would add, a wee bit of humor and an observation.

(Credit to a Famous MI)..........or as ItsanSKS says "consider that stolen"

Most folks after paying some Outrageous price for a mag, are fearful of getting it "scratched" or heaven forbid "dirty".....and nurse maid it.......hugging and kissing it......exclaiming I GOT IT ON SALE!
gently placing it in corner of their shooting mat (like some dam shrine).
(imagine this MI kissing the mag after removing, and placing on the ground)

ask yourself why?.....I'm shooting and now have an empty mag....is this mag my friend?...is it helping me?         NO?...gravity is your friend!     GET RID OF IT!         let it fall
you have no need to toss it....your focus is release,   now that's its clear...NEXT mag
Title: Re: Mag change without lowering the Stock from your shoulder pocket?
Post by: Justsomedude on April 27, 2012, 12:12:05 AM
I'll work on it.

On the Mossberg 702, you grab the mag with a full grip and your thumb disengages the Mag release. Not a bad system when you get used to it.

Title: Re: Mag change without lowering the Stock from your shoulder pocket?
Post by: 2 clicks low on April 27, 2012, 11:01:07 AM
"Next with your eyes closed set the mags down. You have just established your Natural Point of Magazine."

:bow: You have just become my hero for the day.

You may consider the phrase Natural Point of Magazine promptly stolen. And sorry, no, credit will not be given. >:D

2cl
Title: Re: Mag change without lowering the Stock from your shoulder pocket?
Post by: aragornelessar86 on April 27, 2012, 04:06:15 PM
NPOM needs to go into the official COI.
Title: Re: Mag change without lowering the Stock from your shoulder pocket?
Post by: asminuteman on April 27, 2012, 04:11:42 PM
Quote from: 2 clicks low on April 27, 2012, 11:01:07 AM
"Next with your eyes closed set the mags down. You have just established your Natural Point of Magazine."

:bow: You have just become my hero for the day.

You may consider the phrase Natural Point of Magazine promptly stolen. And sorry, no, credit will not be given. >:D

2cl

I LIKE IT!

I call it......."Building your nest"

Title: Re: Mag change without lowering the Stock from your shoulder pocket?
Post by: Nickle on April 29, 2012, 04:06:22 PM
Only need to do a few things, then practice. Changing mags on most rifles is very easy, if you practice.

1. Make sure your mags will drop free when released. This is very important.

2. Place your next mag so you can pick it up and know how to insert it without looking at it (all by feel).

Practice changing mags over and over again until it's second nature. You should be able to swap out your mag by just using feel, and not looking at it. This will give you little to no change in your NPOA.

Now, swapping mags properly doesn't need to go into any official document. But, folks, do watch for the shooters that are struggling with swapping mags, and show them the way to do it without looking.
Title: Re: Mag change without lowering the Stock from your shoulder pocket?
Post by: Justsomedude on April 30, 2012, 09:27:42 AM
Well for the record...the Mossberg Plinktster doesn't work well fort this.
Mags don't drop free

At an AS Shoot yesterday I tried it under pressure and while I was able to do keep my shoulder mounted while changing nags, I had to REACH and contort my body enough to where it wasn't really worth it.

Then as the day wore on and my rifle got dirty, the mag didn't fully seat a few times :)

Again, this is just on a Mossberg Plinkster.