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Title: Ruger 10/22 Magazine Help
Post by: perdurabo on January 11, 2012, 11:36:43 AM
My problem is that my LTR Ruger 10/22 has a Hogue overmould stock on it and even though I have an extended magazine release, the 10-round rotary mags will not drop free and it takes me awhile to pry them out. Rather than dremeling out the stock around the magazine port as some have suggested, I am trying to find something akin to the Magpul floorplate loops that will fit on a 10/22 10-round magazine and allow them to be removed quickly by pulling on the ring. I have seen the "tri-mag" and dual mag magazine holders that connect 2-4 10-round magazines together but I don't wan't to do that. I don't want to use unreliable high capacity curved magazines either (not even the new Ruger branded 25 rounders). I want only one magazine at a time but I want something more positive to grab onto to remove the magazine from the rifle rather than relying on it dropping free.

I saw something like that on one of the recent episodes of Michael Bane's Shooting Gallery where a shooter at the Ruger Rimfire Challenge match had a kind of a ring or loop attached to the bottom of his 10-rd mag so that he could remove it easily, but for the life of me I can't find anything like that on google. Anyone have any ideas on where to get something like that?

Once again, I want a way to grab onto the 10rd magazine from something that sicks out past the bottom of the magazine. Right now it sits flush and I have to fight to get it out, even after trimming the rubber around the magazine port.  I need a device that will attach to the bottom of the 10rd magazine like a plastic ring or something that will allow me to yank on it to pull it out. I figure if nothing like this exists I can kludge something up with super glue or JB weld, but I'd really rather use something purpose-made.

Title: Re: Ruger 10/22 Magazine Help
Post by: 2 clicks low on January 11, 2012, 11:59:42 AM
Dremeling is extreme.

One of my favorite features of the 10/22 is that the mag does not extend to interfere with my hand in offhand shooting.

First try wrapping a flat file with sandpaper and work on  the sides slowly, do not do front or back, test for drop often.

If you must add handles to the mags, get some split key rings and a bit of epoxy. This will work and is cheap, but sanding the stock is a better idea.

2cl
Title: Re: Ruger 10/22 Magazine Help
Post by: Nickle on January 11, 2012, 12:18:41 PM
My experience with the Hogue stocks has been that not much needs to be removed. The file method mentioned works.

The mags should drop free, just like they do in the Ruger stock. Anything else isn't right. Compensating for that will end up counter productive.
Title: Re: Ruger 10/22 Magazine Help
Post by: Two Wolves on January 11, 2012, 12:21:37 PM
I have your answer sir. I recently built a 10/22 replica using a kit from E Author Brown Company. They sell a stock with parts that resemble an M1. They have a replica magazine extension that you glue onto a factory 10/22 magazine. I did not like how long it was so i cut it about in half. It was so easy to do and it works great. It will fall out most of the time with it's own weight. This makes it easy to insert the magazine also. Here is their web site.http://www.eabco.com/store/products/Dummy_Stick_Magazine_Conversion_for_Ruger_10_22-2105-72.html

I'm attaching pictures to help you understand what I'm explaining.
~Two Wolves
Title: Re: Ruger 10/22 Magazine Help
Post by: perdurabo on January 11, 2012, 12:33:51 PM
The eabco dummy stick magazine devices are neat and would probably fit the bill, but I can't justify $20 per magazine.  I'm looking for a $5-$10 per magazine purpose-made solution.  If I can't get that, I'll just JB weld a ring on each one.  I've already filed on the sides as much as I'm willing and my brand new Ruger branded 10rd mags will still not drop free. 
Title: Re: Ruger 10/22 Magazine Help
Post by: Two Wolves on January 11, 2012, 01:09:24 PM
Everything costs money, darnit. I guess you could just stick some Velcro to the mag. and the other part to your hand or wrist , maybe on a glove and finger it out that way. I overpay for a lot of stuff but when the smoke clears I have what I like and what works the best. Life is too short not to be happy. Good luck in your search. ~Two Wolves
Title: Re: Ruger 10/22 Magazine Help
Post by: slim on January 11, 2012, 01:12:10 PM
Keep filing!
Title: Re: Ruger 10/22 Magazine Help
Post by: slim on January 11, 2012, 01:13:46 PM
Quote from: slim on January 11, 2012, 01:12:10 PM
Keep filing!

And file the mags too. You can trim off quite a bit of the mags and they're still fine.
Title: Re: Ruger 10/22 Magazine Help
Post by: 2 clicks low on January 11, 2012, 02:19:08 PM
Quote from: slim on January 11, 2012, 01:13:46 PM
Quote from: slim on January 11, 2012, 01:12:10 PM
Keep filing!

And file the mags too. You can trim off quite a bit of the mags and they're still fine.

I disagree with fileing the mags (beyound rounding off corners). You end up with a rifle that can only use adjusted mags. You should be able to use any mag. What if your mag breaks at a shoot or match? Or falls out of your range bag at home. You can't borrow 1 from someone and continue, you are out of the game. The problem is in the mag well and should be fixed there.

2cl
Title: Re: Ruger 10/22 Magazine Help
Post by: TN_Dadx5 on January 11, 2012, 02:44:15 PM
I have a 10/22 in a Houge OM in ghilly green and at first my mags wouldn't drop easy.  I took a razor knife and cut all of the rubber on the inside of the mag well and also beveled the opening back at a 45°.  I had to get every last little piece of rubber out, but the mags all drop free now.
Title: Re: Ruger 10/22 Magazine Help
Post by: Sly223 on January 11, 2012, 02:54:10 PM
Slim and two clicks have the Answer.
It may not be what you want to hear.
Adding can not be replicated in a field situation! :DH: :pop:
Title: Re: Ruger 10/22 Magazine Help
Post by: Roland on January 11, 2012, 06:07:01 PM
+1 on filing. Especially to use the clear mags with any aftermarket stock. you could also glue a little loop of paracord to the mag, I've seen this done before.
Title: Re: Ruger 10/22 Magazine Help
Post by: AFTERMATH on January 11, 2012, 09:56:22 PM
Some have glued lead weights, washers, etc.  to the bottom.  Adds some extra weight to aid in extraction. 
But it's hard to say what will exactly help without having hands on the rifle.  Is it sticking on the moulding texture?  I'm not thoroughly schooled on the Hogue stock.  But if it's because the rubber sticks, I would think something that would compromise the rubber's tact would work...  Perhaps, a thin layer of glossy paint in the mag well?
If it's actually catching on material, the only way to drop free would be to remove excess material.
Personally, I'd lead towards altering the stock for the reasons 2CL outlines.  But in reality, as long as you can still get standard mags in/out, it'll just be inconvenience if your in a position where your modified mags are not available.
Is your mag release factory, or aftermarket?  I have seen a few rifles on the line where the mag release mechanism was the actual culprit.  I don't recall if they were factory, aftermarket or both...  But issues ranged from - failure to drop free to having to pull the stock to get it out. (I think we had to case that one. ???)

Title: Re: Ruger 10/22 Magazine Help
Post by: kenjo on January 12, 2012, 12:05:14 AM
I installed the extended magazine release on my 10/22 (Hogue over molded stock) and found the magazines very difficult to release. Magazines were so stubborn I had to push down on the top of the magazine, through the chamber, to get them to drop (same on 3 different OEM 10-round magazines). I tried gentle filing of the edges of the magazines but that didn't solve the problem. My solution was to reinstall the original flush mag release. With the OEM flush mag release, all magazines drop by themselves or with a gentle push against the base. I'm not impressed with the after market extended release and frankly don't see the advantage of it. I have seen this same problem with the extended release on other rifles. Since the extended mag release is very common on 10/22s and not everybody has problems with them it is probably an individual rifle issue.


Title: Re: Ruger 10/22 Magazine Help
Post by: TxBobS on January 12, 2012, 12:42:53 AM
I have used two different releases on about 5 different mags on mine and never a hint of a stuck mag.  I wonder what is different about mine. Rounding off the corners of the mags is where I would start looking assuming your stock isn't hanging over the well.
Title: Re: Ruger 10/22 Magazine Help
Post by: Xeyed on January 12, 2012, 02:09:46 AM
If you google this question you will find many people have the same issue.

All the tight magazines, I've ever had "loosened" up with use. Good Dry practice drill. Mag changes (empty) focusing on not loosing your Natural Point OF Aim. Might take a hundred changes. During the process if you examine the mags you will find where the high spots are.

A couple of strokes with sand paper to fix. Test fit. Test drop. Repeat as necessary.

Here is a You tube video of someone solving the same issue with a Tapco Stock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFZChDeBudI&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFZChDeBudI&feature=related)

I've got a Hogue Stock on my 10/22 and love it.

:~

Title: Re: Ruger 10/22 Magazine Help
Post by: dronning on January 18, 2012, 04:09:30 PM
Try inserting a mag, then with one hand release the mag while loosing the action screw.  There is a good chance the mag will fall out at about 1/2 turn.  The Hogue stock will flex if overstressed.

Dave
Title: Re: Ruger 10/22 Magazine Help
Post by: Sly223 on January 19, 2012, 05:23:19 PM
Careful,I beleive,
:~ that's also considered the accuracy screw! :---
Title: Re: Ruger 10/22 Magazine Help
Post by: slim on January 19, 2012, 11:21:15 PM
Quote from: Sly223 on January 19, 2012, 05:23:19 PM
Careful,I beleive,
:~ that's also considered the accuracy screw! :---
I wish I had a dollar for every time I heard an instructor claim they'd just fixed the shooters issues by tightening that screw. It truly is the magic screw! (Followed closely by Tech Sights working loose.)
Title: Re: Ruger 10/22 Magazine Help
Post by: dronning on January 20, 2012, 10:11:34 AM
Quote from: slim on January 19, 2012, 11:21:15 PM
Quote from: Sly223 on January 19, 2012, 05:23:19 PM
Careful,I beleive,
:~ that's also considered the accuracy screw! :---
I wish I had a dollar for every time I heard an instructor claim they'd just fixed the shooters issues by tightening that screw. It truly is the magic screw! (Followed closely by Tech Sights working loose.)

LOL it truely is magical!  On my Hogue when I over tightened it the mag would stick.  That's when I started torquing it.  Eventually I did a pillar bed on it and problem was solved, of course as soon as that was fixed I changed stocks  O0.