Is the use of the sling as a shooting aid unique to the American tradition rifle marksmanship or did other countries use it that way as well? When and where did the use of the sling as a shooting aid begin?
http://pronematch.com/a-short-history-of-the-the-sling/
some info
Thanks.
That's just one source. There are others from other times/history but some of them don't mention shooting but go into details on use for carrying a rifle/musket and about specifications for the manufacture of the sling.
I ran across another web site awhile back but haven't found it (again) yet.
We have been working to make our training of IITs more consistent, including a standard verbage for everything we teach. Does anyone happen to know the "offical" nomenclature of the parts to a GI web sling?
I've heard buckle, adjuster, clip, h-buckle, lock, and many others used. we would like to have one set of names for the parts so everyone described the sling in the same way.
So far I have come up empty handed. The only US Army descriptions I have found are for the parts of the 1907 sling.
Thanks,
YHJ
"Thingy" seems to work well.
"This H-clip buckle adjuster locky thingy is the one you want to be adjustin on."
Quote from: slim on August 23, 2011, 09:31:30 AM
"Thingy" seems to work well.
"This H-clip buckle adjuster locky thingy is the one you want to be adjustin on."
Yeah, it's guys like you and me that have YHJ trying to find the real name... :D
You might try here: http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Search.aspx?filter=m14 I order alot of parts from Numirich. I couldn't find A sling schematic, but the part names are correct, you might have to do some part searches.
Bottom of page 16 shows sling bar slide, sling keeper etc.
D-fly
Quote from: yellowhousejake on August 23, 2011, 09:02:12 AM
We have been working to make our training of IITs more consistent, including a standard verbage for everything we teach. Does anyone happen to know the "offical" nomenclature of the parts to a GI web sling?
I've heard buckle, adjuster, clip, h-buckle, lock, and many others used. we would like to have one set of names for the parts so everyone described the sling in the same way.
So far I have come up empty handed. The only US Army descriptions I have found are for the parts of the 1907 sling.
Thanks,
YHJ
:slap:
Duh! I have e dealer account with them. Why didn't I look there?
Thank you!
YHJ
Quote from: dragonfly on August 23, 2011, 11:14:37 AM
You might try here: http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Search.aspx?filter=m14 I order alot of parts from Numirich. I couldn't find A sling schematic, but the part names are correct, you might have to do some part searches.
Bottom of page 16 shows sling bar slide, sling keeper etc.
D-fly
Quote from: yellowhousejake on August 23, 2011, 09:02:12 AM
We have been working to make our training of IITs more consistent, including a standard verbage for everything we teach. Does anyone happen to know the "offical" nomenclature of the parts to a GI web sling?
I've heard buckle, adjuster, clip, h-buckle, lock, and many others used. we would like to have one set of names for the parts so everyone described the sling in the same way.
So far I have come up empty handed. The only US Army descriptions I have found are for the parts of the 1907 sling.
Thanks,
YHJ
found a little info on the Numrich parts web site.
The metal piece with two slots the sling goes through is called a buckle (imagine that).
The end that hooks to the butt swivel is called the sling hook.
They have pictures of the parts (those two) but no pictures of the piece that clamps to lock the sling at the proper length.
Quote from: Old Dog on August 23, 2011, 10:13:22 PM
The metal piece with two slots the sling goes through is called a buckle (imagine that).
The end that hooks to the butt swivel is called the sling hook.
They have pictures of the parts (those two) but no pictures of the piece that clamps to lock the sling at the proper length.
According to Midway the clamp is also called a "keeper".
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=966254 (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=966254)
- ShadowMan
Quote from: yellowhousejake on August 23, 2011, 09:02:12 AM
We have been working to make our training of IITs more consistent, including a standard verbage for everything we teach. Does anyone happen to know the "offical" nomenclature of the parts to a GI web sling?
I've heard buckle, adjuster, clip, h-buckle, lock, and many others used. we would like to have one set of names for the parts so everyone described the sling in the same way.
So far I have come up empty handed. The only US Army descriptions I have found are for the parts of the 1907 sling.
Thanks,
YHJ
Stumbled across this thread and thought it was worth resurrecting.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee482/Kentucky_Project_Appleseed/SlingM1.jpg)
Source: http://www.scribd.com/doc/58718003/TM-9-1005-222-35-MAINTENANCE-MANUAL-RIFLE-CALIBER-30-M1-M1C-SNIPER-S-AND-M1D-SNIPER-S-1966 (http://www.scribd.com/doc/58718003/TM-9-1005-222-35-MAINTENANCE-MANUAL-RIFLE-CALIBER-30-M1-M1C-SNIPER-S-AND-M1D-SNIPER-S-1966)
The Marine Corps Rifle Marksmanship manual, MCRP 3-01A, dated, well, I don't see a date like on Army manuals.
Page 5-2 refers to the "J-hook" and the "sling keeper".
US Army manual RIFLE MARKSMANSHIP, M16A1, M16A2/3, M16A4,AND M4 CARBINE, FM 3-22.9, dated April 2003, unfortunately barely mentions a sling.
Sigh.
So I have to suggest adapting the USMC terms.
Greg
I suggest the following standardized nomenclature:
Hook
Slide
Keeper
The hook and the keeper are the only pieces of hardware unique to the web sling, therefore those names should stay the same. But one word apiece will suffice. Not J-hook, sling-keeper, etc. Just hook and keeper. Clean and simple.
What some have referred to as the H buckle, or the picture above calls the loop, should be the slider. This is a common commercially available piece of webbing hardware and it is called a slide. (http://www.strapworks.com/Metal_Slides_p/ms-c.htm (http://www.strapworks.com/Metal_Slides_p/ms-c.htm)) It should not be called a loop to avoid confusion; "create a loop by pushing the webbing through the slide" sounds clearer than "create a loop by pushing the webbing through the loop". Or, if not slide, then it should be simply called a buckle. But I think slide is better.
I love threads like this! Shows us we're still hungry to make the instruction better, leaner, faster... MORE!!!
I second the suggestion for hook and keeper. The one word stuff is golden.
As a person with no commercial webbing hardware experience, to me, that thing is a buckle just like the pilgrims had on their hats and shoes. I have no problem using slide since it is a slide and slide works fine as a one word "thingy" too.
But, if we use slide... I'm looking for something that slides. That thing doesn't slide at all! Most of 'em are so hard to push through that the webbing barely even moves. That says to me it buckles the webbing together a lot more than it slides anything at all.
Buckle!
(... but slide works too!)
I hope we'll be putting the Instructor Manual up for "review and comment" sometime in Jan, and hope (and think) the nomenclature issues can be worked out then, so that everyone in the program is on the same page. O0
Does any one have more information on the history of the sling?
Quote from: Garand on December 01, 2011, 09:22:31 PMDoes any one have more information on the history of the sling?
I guess we should get back to topic, eh?
I'll check into it. I'm surprised SPQR hasn't been on here yet telling us how the Romans used hasty-hasty on their gladii.
In 1970 at Paris Island we were taught: Hook, Buckle & Keeper. Seems easy enough.
craig
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