Often the subject comes up. How much HXP is on hand in the CMP inventory? According to an article in the Garand Collectors Assoc. Journal the answer in over 60 million rounds. That will take a while to shoot up.
Thought you would like to know.
I will have to work on that. The South Store is only a hour away and a trip is in order.
The ammo they list on their internet store is either in 8 round clips or in 20 round boxes.
They do not advertise that they also have a very large case (1280 rounds in 20 round boxes I think) that was $277 when I bought one last year at the North Store. It's a better deal than the smaller cases advertised on the internet but it's too heavy to ship so it's a store pickup item only.
The price may have gone up by now. If you've got clips it's a good deal.
M1A4ME,
Perchance sir, would you have knowledge of wether the south store has such case as you mention in your recent post?
Thanking you in advance.
CM
I don't know. I believe I remember hearing the North Store got its rifles and ammo from the South Store but you should probably email them or call them and see if they stock those big cans. Sorry. I wonder if anyone else here has been to the South Store and seen the big cases of 30.06?
edited: The Civilian Marksmanship Program South store is located in Anniston, AL in the Industrial Park at the CMP Distribution Center. The phone for CMP in Anniston is (256) 835-8455 ext 1138.
I got a case of 960 for 220 plus tax, but there was no mention of any bigger cases. They had in the enlocs or not when I went there last year in August.
All the south store had was the greek in spams or the single boxes of boxed.when I went there in August. No other larger amounts, no matter how many different ways I asked the lady ;)
Hmm... I'm headed out there tomorrow to get 30.06 for this weekend in Hinesville. Any questions I need to ask or things I need to pick up?
Let me know exactly how much a case of ammo comes out to if you dont mind. A heads up on the inventory would be nice as well. I'm dragging my feet on getting a Garand and its driven Cannonman nuts. I still havent decided if I'm going to get one or not. Those funds could be spent in a lot of places :-\
If anyone want's to make a road trip out to anniston before the next Toccoa shoot let me know... I could use the advice picking out a garand.
Quote from: cannonman61 on February 27, 2008, 11:00:58 PM
M1A4ME,
Perchance sir, would you have knowledge of wether the south store has such case as you mention in your recent post?
Thanking you in advance.
CM
Indeed. Everything that the north store sells comes from the south store. The south store is where the main storage area is. They actually had to get more warehouse space for the Greek 30.06
I have a few of the large cases. Spam cans (non re-sealable) with bandoliers of 8rd garand clips.
Stuff shoots GREAT!!!
Quote from: WECSOG on February 28, 2008, 12:12:05 PM
If anyone want's to make a road trip out to anniston before the next Toccoa shoot let me know... I could use the advice picking out a garand.
Where are you? I'm in Peachtree City Ga area. My safe has...from the CMP, quite a few Garands.
If you want a shooter, the most important thing to have is a muzzle gauge (they sell them there or have ones you can use...get your own so you can take it and check each rifle in the store). The CMP one is shaped like a bullet. You want to get as good a muzzle wear # as possible. You walk down the racks checking each muzzle, try to remember which one had the lower number and then decide from there. There's more but it's getting late so I'll be quick.
Muzzle wear...lower #'s are better. Keep in mind, I have 2 of 7 that I actually shoot. An uglyish service grade with a perfectly new barrel and a collector grade that had some (very little) pitting/corrosion on the underside of the reciever where it met the wood in storage. Got that at the service grade price (very good people to deal with over there). The ugly service grade shoots tighter groups. Go figure.
The #'s represent thousandths of an inch over .30 cal (.30 cal = .3 inches).
Here is a sample cut and pasted from the CMP website. http://www.odcmp.com/Services/Rifles/m1garand.htm
Service grade
Service Grade Rifles show less wear and better appearance than Field or Rack Grades. Good to very good condition. Rifle wear will be exhibited by worn and mixed colors of the parkerized finish; there may be some minor pitting on the metal parts; wood will be either Walnut, Birch, Beech or other variety and will be basically sound but may have minor hairline cracks, dings, scratches and gouges; wood may not match in color or type of wood; bores will be generally good with only minor imperfections; the barrel crown may be nicked, but the muzzle will gauge less than 3 and the throat erosion will gauge less than 5.
Rack Grade
Rack Grade Rifles are mechanically the same as Field Grade rifles above, but will show more wear on many of their parts and may have more pitting on the metal parts. Wood will be sound, but well used, with cracks, poor fit, and many dents and gouges. Throat erosion will be 5 or more and muzzle wear may be over a 3 on a muzzle gauge. The overall appearance and condition will generally be rougher than any other grade. Fair condition.
Field grade
Field Grade Rifles. Most of these rifles have been refinished or rebuilt at least once while in military service and will likely have some parts from other manufacturers. Fair to good condition. Rifle wear will be exhibited by worn and mixed colors of the finish; there may be some minor pitting on the metal parts; wood will be basically sound but may be well used with minor hairline cracks, and many dings, scratches and gouges; wood may not match in color, type of wood or condition. These rifles may have some foreign parts and wood may be Walnut, Birch, Beech or other variety. Rifles do not have import marks. Bores will be generally good with only minor imperfections; the barrel crown may be nicked, and the muzzle may gauge more than "3" on muzzle gauge. The Throat Erosion will gauge less than 5 - well within US Army standards. Do not expect rifles in mint condition in this grade.
If you want to spend a bit more...
Correct grade
Correct Grade Rifles are similar to the Service Grade (above), but will show less wear and use. Correct Grade rifles will have all correct parts for the date of manufacture with 80% or better overall original metal finish. The stock and handguards will be of walnut and correct for the rifle but will have some dings, dents, scratches and marring of the wood finish. Stocks will have the appropriate original inspector's cartouche. The rifle bore will be very good with no significant defects and with a throat erosion of less than 4 and a muzzle wear of 2 or less. Very good to excellent condition. Limited quantities are occasionally available. Prices start at $950.
Collector grade
Collector Grade Rifles have 95% or better overall original metal finish. Rifle bores are excellent with throat erosion under 3 and muzzle wear of 2 or less. Collector Grade rifles have all original parts as they came from the manufacturer. Wood will have a few handling marks and minor dings and scratches. Stocks have the appropriate inspector's cartouche. Data sheets prepared by CMP armorers are included in the butt trap of each Collector Grade Rifle. Excellent condition - little or no use. Limited quantities are occasionally available. Prices start at $1400. See tables below.
The next to the last trip we made to the North Store we bought 2 field grades and two rack grades. I'm not sure if I knew what the "grade" was till we got up there to pay for them. We chose strictly on muzzle wear and throat erosion (the guys working at the store seemed happy to come out from behind the counter and measure barrels for us).
The two field grades and one rack grade were trouble free and accurate. One of the rack grades was accurate but required the replacement of some internal parts to get it feeding/ejecting properly. Now it is my "shooter" M1. It's what I take shooting at home or at Ramseur. It would missfeed #3, and after firing #7 it would eject the clip along with #8.
The small parts are available at many places on the internet and at gunshows and you can replace them yourself. The barrel is more expensive and most of us have to take the rifle to a gunsmith to get the barrel replaced. The rack grades and field grades may not be pretty, but are you buying it to hang on the wall and admire - or to hit targets?
edited: All four were Springfield Armory rifles, my brother and cousin have had no issues out of theirs - both are thinking of ordering a second M1 Garand. I have the one rack grade that had issues and one field grade that did not. One thing you can say about these rifles is they aren't making new - GI - rifles and the cost of one from the CMP is about half of what you'll pay for one at a gunshow. Get one or two now, while you can.
Yep, I bought a field grade and it was in great shape internally. I disassembled it about 50% and my parts looked new. I could see no decernable wear.
Now I need get another before Nov.!
I just received two of the small cases (480 ea.) that total 980.
The price to my door was $254. They came from the south store
That is the highest amount listed in the Spring 08 catalog. With
a previous purchase, I have 480 rounds from 68,69, and 1970. Have
not opened any as they look pristinely sealed. Might open the 70,
as very tiny outside bubbles of rust at the seam ;D
Go to the online store, look under commercial ammo. The smaller case is boxed ammo vs on Garand clips in bandoliers. The smaller case IS cheaper by the round. I got 4 of the larger cases a year ago before the price increase and before the boxed ammo was available. If it were available then, I would've gotten that just to save a few pennies per round.
.26/rd for clipped vs .23/rd for boxed
http://estore.odcmp.com/Store/catalog/catalog.aspx?pg=product&ID=407-CASE&item=&sfv=&cat=AMC&desc=&udc=&mct=&vndr=&ba=&pmin=&pmax=¬e1=¬e2=¬e3=¬e4=¬e5=&max=
Here's the listing:
M2 Ball, .30-06 Pyrkal boxer PRIMED-768 RDS/CS (IN CLIPS)
M2 Ball .30-06 caliber - packaged in 8 round enbloc clips,
6 clips per bandoleer, 4 bandoleers per spam can, 4 cans
per wooden crate (768 rounds per case). Manufactured by
Pyrkal (Greece). Boxer primed, non-corrosive. Headstamp
varies, HXP62 - HXP80. Sold in case lot only.
Price $200.00 per case, S&H $38.00 per case. Weight 73 lbs.
S&H to Alaska and Hawaii is $79.95
At the risk of you having heard it before, the clips seem to last forever. I've heard some guys say they've got a couple/three clips they've used for competition for 10 or 15 years with no issues. Once you buy a case with clips I'd just buy the boxed ammo after that and keep refilling the clips.
Yeah, no kidding. The boxed ammo wasn't offered yet when I got my big stash and the boxed LC had run out at that point (I still have a few cases of that too). Looks like I'll have plenty of Garand clips and bandoliers to sell on Gun Broker or something!
My next trip I'll have to stock up on the boxed Greek stuff.
I love having all my ammo on clips. I've now got hundreds of empty clip. ;D ;D
There is nothing like knowing that in event of emergency every last round of '06 I own is ready for duty.
Actually I try to do the same for all my milsurp bolt guns. I've got a good number of Garrand style badoleers for each rifle with my best ammo on clips ready to roll. You know ,for Zombies. ;)
The clips for some of the greek ammo is different though and you may have issues.
the exact problem with some of the HXP clips,the extractor groove is different on the HXP than it is any USGI M2. Only the Greek clips marked JMO in a triangle with the date inside it will cause problems,the Greeks sent a round of their ammunition to Juliaus Maur in Germany and asked them to make clips to fit it,the Germans did as instructed. This makes the clips fit weird with any other make of ammunition. It will fit but it holds the rounds at a weird angle causing tight fit. The clips marked JMO work perfectly with 7.62 chambered Garands because the 7.62 rims are the same as the HXP ammunition.
The problem we are having here is....about half of the Greek ammunition sold by CMP comes on genuine USGI clips(mostly BRW) with some on Danish clips so it will fit and function as well as any other USGI clip so when somebody posts "all the greek clips fit tight" or "all the greek clips work funny" a load of people who got their Greek in USGI clips will say "mine worked just fine"
Long story short the only clips that will give you trouble will be marked JMO inside a triangle with the year. They will work but hold the rounds at a weird angle. All the rest will be just like USGI.
Hey all you gunners out there, A little off topic, but I may need a source for a M1Garand bolt a little shorter than mine. Having to tight headspace reading on this one according to Mr.Forster. I've managed to size brass to fit good but, do not know if I still have the correct room for the cartridge to expand upon firing. May still be to tight. Somewhere in this Appleseed forum I'd seen a comment about shorter bolts as to where I could locate one. Old Dog pointed it to me as well and I appreciate it greatly. Anybody comes across it, let me know. Don't want to start chopping in my chamber if a shorter bolt will cure the problem. Gives me room to grow!