The weather is supposed to be pleasant for this weekend.
Anyone who is going to be camping out should pm Posterboy so he knows when they will be arriving.
Anyone planning on breakfast on Sat or Sun should send myself or Posterboy a message so I can plan accordingly for the breakfast food.
I will also have lunch available on both days. As always the breakfast and lunch is donation.
Instructors, if you aren't signed up for this shoot yet, PLEASE do so, that way I can plan accordingly for the Instructor meal also.
See everybody Sat morning when I bring out breakfast, those of you camping and setting up won't see me as I will be working on Fri night.
Sun morning approx 7:45 am there will be a non denominational service done by our club business manager.
You Heard the Lady ! ~~:)
SOUND OFF ! :~
looks like a great Gburg event coming..plenty of room too so don't hesitate to come ! 500 yrds and good food ! how can you possibly say no?
pb
I'll be able to bring all manner of tasty treats for breakfast Sat. & Sun.- donuts, strudels, possibly muffins, cookies, pies, cakes. Perhaps croissants, certainly bread of most types. I never know exactly what will be available until I pick up. I'll watch for sausages and other breakfast meats. However, baked goods I know I can get in small mountains.
Let me know if there's something mentioned that appeals to you and I'll watch for it. Otherwise I'll surprise you. O0
I'll be there Friday evening as usual and camping in the back of the truck. Just sent a PM to "Instructor Scheduling", could have sworn I'd signed up already. :wall:
No Penny this weekend.
Joseph
aka WY_Not IIT2
Looking forward to a great weekend "up north." Bringing two new shooters and hoping to leave with two new Riflemen. See you on the line!
:bow:
THANKS TO ALL THAT MADE THIS POSSIBLE
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I'm well aware these things are logistical nightmares, with as much time planning-- if not more, than the actual event.
I'm also aware of the scarcity of time, as a resource.
Thanks again.. Katie and I had a GREAT time-- despite our early difficulties in getting "lead to paper..." :---
We're both already talking about "next time" and knowing (from this time) where better to start... :)
Thanks to all..
Anthony & Katie
The Schwab's
WOW WOW & WOW!!! I don't know where to begin. This was my son and my first time attending an event at Appleseen and it was AMAZING. I (his mother) have never shot a gun before this event, except for a few times in the yard with Anthony's b.b. gun and about 15 ft. Showing up scared and not knowing what to expect--but leaving feeling knowledgeable of the weapon, and especially the safety rules for properly handling a rifle. To sum up my shooting skill they could of probably reused my red jacket target sheet after shooting my 1st magazine, because I think the only holes on the sheet were from the stapler holding the target sheet up. Needless to say, with the amazing explanation from very knowledgeable, experienced, and great riflemen/women, I left the shoot hitting my target of 1/4 a mile--right on!!! Yippee!!
I would also like to thank all the other riflemen/women there in helping us along the way too. We had a wonderful sunny weekend to experience this shoot. Loved it!
I am very grateful to all the men and women instructors helping with this event. With providing us with the proper gear we needed and to their patients with helping us. We really enjoyed ourselves and hope to see you all again at another event.
Also, after leaving both days, I think I called every1 in my cell phone contact list and their brothers telling them of our amazing experience.
THANK YOU --THANK YOU---THANK YOU.
AAR is up here: http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=17752.0
Awesome to hear from you..Ms Neat , both Anthony's and Katie
pb
Ms Neat
It was a pleasure being of service to you and your son. You both were perfect students. The greatest gifts an instructor can receive are those double dings you gave us on the 500 yd. range! ^:)^
Come on back and get your Rifleman patches!!
Oh, by the way, on the way home, I was telling Anthony that my screen name was Ms. Neat, and he said it should be---Ms. Horseshoe. Forgot to tell you that when we were doing an AQT, one of Shawns casing flew and landed on my neck. I maintained composure, properly layed my rifle down, and pulled off a HOT CASING from my neck. I now have a burn mark in the shape of a horseshoe on my neck. It was too funny. Still loved the course though.
Some folks show-off tatoos, marksmen/women show-off brass burns. O0
For the second month in a row I had a great time! Thanks to the assistance of Mr. Happy, I got my rifle dialed in and was able to attain the title Rifleman! Thank you Mr. Happy!
Steve
Posterboy,
After the Oct 16/17 shoot in Gibsonburg I have been trying to recreate the notes that you drew out on the large cardboard while explaining I/M/C, and bullet rise/drop on Sunday. I do understand that while those were examples of bulk ammo bullet drop, rack grade rifle, in certain length barrels, and so on, those charts you drew make a good starting point for us new to the rifle world. I have also been looking for an easy to read ballistic table for... Don't laugh... .22lr. Here's why...
Now that my .22 is zeroed in at 25m, I want to know how many clicks to turn to go out to 50,75, and 100m. Obviously the only way to know 100% is to spend the time at the range, which I am not opposed to.
Just thought that if you know what the accepted averages for .22lr bullet rise and drop were that you (or anyone else) could share with the class.
Thanks for your time and thanks again for a great experience last weekend. We look forward to bringing our friends and family in the spring.
Rusty Mossbolt
P.S. Fuzzy Math, was that you "featured" in the NY Times hack job article about the Appleseed Project? I enjoyed the rebuttal anyway.
P.S.S. Wy-not, after hearing your introduction and the explanation of your name, I have been compelled to re-read "Molon Labe!". Any inspiration from that book for your name? If not it will be a must read for you!
O.K. ... That's it...
Quite a bit of inspiration from the book, the author, and the Free State Wyoming movement. And also some personal attachments that go back over 40+ years. Will fire off a PM tomorrow when I get some time. It is late and a warm bed/wife beckons. ;)
Joseph
aka WY_Not
aka FSW Forum Admin
Quote from: Rusty Mossbolt on November 01, 2010, 01:52:54 AM
P.S.S. Wy-not, after hearing your introduction and the explanation of your name, I have been compelled to re-read "Molon Labe!". Any inspiration from that book for your name? If not it will be a must read for you!
Quote from: After the Oct 16/17 shoot in Gibsonburg I have been trying to recreate the notes that you drew out on the large cardboard while explaining I/M/C, and bullet rise/drop on Sunday.[/quote
Rusty, had some of these visuals drawn up already and handy so I thought I'd post them for you. These were created awhile ago to help Ohio Shoot Boss's do the Known Distance lessons. They may not mean as much without the conversation describing them, but here are some visuals that may help.
And they're pretty crude and weren't polished for "public release" -- like the Point Blank Range one is just to give you an idea and those distances between the hits aren't exactly the right distance apart... but oh well. :) hehe.
Trajectory and Comeups
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d170/MeanStreaker592/Traj.jpg)
Point Blank Range (meaning one sight setting where you can hit targets at multiple distances without making any click adjustments
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d170/MeanStreaker592/bszCorrect.jpg)
Range Estimation using Front Sight
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d170/MeanStreaker592/rangeest.jpg)
I think i have your information on the ballistics for the .22lr try this link i hope that it works
http://www.jacksonrifles.com/files/pejsa%20ballistics.xls
you will need to call the manufacturer to get the BC for what ever you are shooting. You will need to change the Break Velocity (fps) to 800 or less, change your Scope Ht. (in) to what your height is or zero for tech sights, just look and play with this for a time i think that it will work for you. Just save a unchanged copy first.
Becky
Quote from: Rusty Mossbolt on November 01, 2010, 01:52:54 AM
Now that my .22 is zeroed in at 25m, I want to know how many clicks to turn to go out to 50,75, and 100m. Obviously the only way to know 100% is to spend the time at the range, which I am not opposed to.
Rusty, I've had the same question: What at the "come ups" for my .22, in 25 yard increments?
And I agree -- the thing to do is spend a couple of hours at the range someday and just do it --- get the dope on, say, a standard 10/22 with Tech sights, with some sort of standard "brick" ammo like Remington .22LR (500 box).
I'm going to do it sometime.
I can even imagine a creative SB spending some time on a Sunday afternoon at an Appleseed on this, with the right group of shooters and if no other KD options were available (not G'burg though, who would want to miss the steel-pinging at 1/4 mile!?) That is, have everyone determine their come-ups (their own rifle's "dope") from 25 to 50 yards, then from 50 to 75. It would take a while but it would really drive home the lesson of the comeups. Plus, then everyone would know their own .22 better! And it would really consolidate the whole IMC thing in folks' minds.
I look forward to seeing you next season on the 'Trail, or even later this year (there are still a few more shoots in the state/region!).
-FM
PS: Yeah that was me in the NYT article. Ha. But others got a lot worse than me. Funny thing is, the author insisted for months that we'd
like the thing!
Quote from: FuzzyMath on November 01, 2010, 08:33:49 PM
Quote from: Rusty Mossbolt on November 01, 2010, 01:52:54 AM
Now that my .22 is zeroed in at 25m, I want to know how many clicks to turn to go out to 50,75, and 100m. Obviously the only way to know 100% is to spend the time at the range, which I am not opposed to.
Rusty, I've had the same question: What at the "come ups" for my .22, in 25 yard increments?
The boys in Indiana have done this already and they've said it's about 6-8 clicks "up" to get out to 100. (Closer to 6 for high velocity, closer to 8 for standard.) By that logic, you'd need an average of two or three clicks per 25 yards out past your 25m zero. (Less for closer in, more for farther out.)
Now, this is all "art" not "science" since we're talking Tech-Sights, any number of barrel/ammo configurations, etc., so you should still get that brick of ammo out and find exact figures for your rifle. But, the general consensus seems to be 6-8 will get you close enough. (If you're using the TSR-100, you can zero at 25 then "flip" the peep to be dead on at 100. Yep, that's why there are two peeps on there.)
What I've always wondered is what would be a good Battle Sight Zero (BSZ) for .22LR? At 200 yards the drop is not super-significant and it's possible to make hits pretty easily although I've never taken the time to figure out the exact drop nor the clicks required to make hits at those distances. Since most of us are using Tech-Sights, which are "unfriendly" at best when it comes to dialing in elevation, we'd be better served by setting our sights to a BSZ and then leaving them alone.
I'd venture to guess 125 or 150 would be about right since we wouldn't be all that high at closer distances but would still gain that drop at the end. Digging around and finding a chart I see that a rifle zeroed at 100 (1.5" sight height, CCI Stinger ammo) wouldn't be more than 4 MOA low until around 135 yards. It would have about 26in. of drop at 200.
So, with a 150 zero, you could probably hold true and hit within 4 MOA. With adjusted aiming point you could probably just about reach out to 300!
The more and more I shoot .22LR the more and more I'm impressed by that little round. Sure, it's not going to fly through the breeze like the .30cals, but it is possible to use it to shoot KD and to hone fundamentals that directly transfer over to the big boy rifles.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=769231
http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj-5.1.cgi
http://benchrest.com/showthread.php?34171-22-LR-bc