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Road to Rifleman => Skill Sets of Shooting => Topic started by: Old Dog on November 29, 2007, 09:28:48 PM

Title: Shot Group Analysis #3
Post by: Old Dog on November 29, 2007, 09:28:48 PM
I see lots of folks look at these but only a few answer them.  If you know the answer jump in.  If you're not sure think about your own experience (either shooting or coaching someone else) and work out the most likely answer.  Seems with many of these there is more than one possible cause so don't get the idea there is only one answer.  No one here is gonna laugh at you if you're wrong.

Remember.  The only people who don't make mistake are those who don't do anything and liars.  The important thing is to learn from your mistakes so you don't make the same ones over and over.

Have a good one and here's #3.

Title: Re: Shot Group Analysis #3
Post by: voortrekker on November 29, 2007, 09:43:55 PM
The cook shooting the rifle is not following the six steps(should be "rules" IMHO).

Specifically, this person doesnt' understand NPOA.

OR

He/she may be shooting a shotgun.

If they're shooting a shotgun, not bad. ;D
Title: Re: Shot Group Analysis #3
Post by: ken grant on November 29, 2007, 10:27:26 PM
 Failure to follow steps 5 or 6 in firing the shot.
Most likely #5
Title: Re: Shot Group Analysis #3
Post by: hawkhavn on November 29, 2007, 11:00:33 PM
If the shooter is using a scope make sure the mount is tight.

Don't ask how I know this.   ;D

Ed
Title: Re: Shot Group Analysis #3
Post by: ax238 on November 29, 2007, 11:38:09 PM
Since you can't tell when/if the shooter hit the target at center at the start/middle/end of this group you can't really tell if he had actually taken up a position and settled for NPOA.  IF the shooter had NPOA, he lost it after the first shot.  I have battled with this with my LTR, since I still haven't got the Tech sights in the mail, my sight picture ...well, I just have groups like that but they are fall within about a 2" pattern.  I have to say with the group pictured that the individual never, if he had it, retained NPOA.

Ax
Title: Re: Shot Group Analysis #3
Post by: wcmartin1 on November 30, 2007, 12:52:23 AM
Sling not tight enough or no sling used?

Flinching?

Failure to keep eyes open on the front sight when pulling the trigger (failure to call the shot)?

Jerking the trigger?

Not following through?

Failure to acquire NPOA and muscling the shot?


Title: Re: Shot Group Analysis #3
Post by: VAshooter on November 30, 2007, 09:58:16 AM
A large dispursed shot group indicates nothing about NPOA. It indicates that the shooter is not focused on the front sight or he does not have a cheek weld or he does not understand sight alignment. Sometimes a combination of all three.

VAshooter

Title: Re: Shot Group Analysis #3
Post by: Snake45 on November 30, 2007, 10:30:22 AM
Quote from: VAshooter on November 30, 2007, 09:58:16 AM
the shooter is not focused on the front sight or he does not have a cheek weld or he does not understand sight alignment. Sometimes a combination of all three.

VAshooter


That would be my diagnosis as well.

Or he's shooting my Polytech, in its original balsawood stock, with South African ammo.... ;D
Title: Re: Shot Group Analysis #3
Post by: ax238 on November 30, 2007, 11:11:50 AM

So my thought about my stock sights LTR was correct then?  I have the hardest time focusing on that front buckhorn sight!! 
So, can't focus on the front sight, can't keep sight alignment either right?
Title: Re: Shot Group Analysis #3
Post by: VAshooter on November 30, 2007, 11:30:22 AM
Right.

VAshooter
Title: Re: Shot Group Analysis #3
Post by: Nickle on November 30, 2007, 01:31:23 PM
Fred taught me the answer to this one, and was quite clear about it.

BASICS.

6 STEPS, NPOA.
Title: Re: Shot Group Analysis #3
Post by: Simballo on November 30, 2007, 03:28:19 PM
1. focus on target not front sight

2. loose position

3. Flinching, bucking, and/or jerking

4. Closing eyes

5. Sight alignment, cheek weld not constant.
Title: Re: Shot Group Analysis #3
Post by: Snake45 on November 30, 2007, 03:55:50 PM
Quote from: Simballo on November 30, 2007, 03:28:19 PM
1. focus on target not front sight

2. loose position

3. Flinching, bucking, and/or jerking

4. Closing eyes

5. Sight alignment, cheek weld not constant.

6. Any or all of the above, in any combination(s)
Title: Re: Shot Group Analysis #3
Post by: SGTCap on November 30, 2007, 07:44:38 PM
A LITTLE OF EVERYTHING
Title: Re: Shot Group Analysis #3
Post by: Old Dog on December 01, 2007, 01:25:48 PM
And the guide says:

Title: Re: Shot Group Analysis #3
Post by: Snake45 on December 01, 2007, 02:20:49 PM
I didn't think this looked like something that could be traced to failure of NPOA.  ;)