Project Appleseed

Road to Rifleman => Skill Sets of Shooting => Topic started by: lysander6 on March 12, 2010, 12:39:58 PM

Title: Here is how the Army is teaching Basic Rifle Marksmanship
Post by: lysander6 on March 12, 2010, 12:39:58 PM
There is value to be found here but the 500m fight by precision round placement for every soldier (not just designated marksmen and snipers) is missing.  I am also dissatisfied with the lack of a holistic understanding of bringing all the elements together cohesively.

Comments are welcome.

Title: Re: Here is how the Army is teaching Basic Rifle Marksmanship
Post by: U.S.Cavalryman on March 14, 2010, 02:49:42 PM
Well, you will be more disappointed to learn that is is BRM from an advanced school. Regular joe doesn't see this. But we are working the answer (AS) in everywhere. My guys average a 3 MOA group and are hitting 90% of targets at 500. Using Appleseed. not the Army's current program.
Title: Re: Here is how the Army is teaching Basic Rifle Marksmanship
Post by: SamD on March 14, 2010, 03:37:02 PM
Just remember folks.

That is Our Army.
Guide them we should,
Teach them we must,
but we cannot afford to
criticize their methods or
equipment too strongly because
WE are the ones that permit it
to become what it is.

The US military is a DIRECT REFLECTION
of our society.
We let it get that way.
we can bring it back to where it needs to be
Just another part of government that is
OUR are responsibility to make right.

Title: Re: Here is how the Army is teaching Basic Rifle Marksmanship
Post by: R1SGx2 on March 14, 2010, 03:47:18 PM
SamD,
thank you, nice post.
Support them we must and change the conditions they protect us in.
Title: Re: Here is how the Army is teaching Basic Rifle Marksmanship
Post by: boltgun71 on March 15, 2010, 10:14:43 PM
Those power point slides are from the Army Marksmanship Unit.  Collectively they are the greatest group of shooters in the world, hands down.  As a graduate of all the shooting schools they offer I can say this.  They are amazing shooters, the absolute best, but when it comes to teaching shooting, they suck.  I was very disappointed at the way they taught the fundamentals at their schools, with some of the same presentations you posted.  Thats were Appleseed comes in and why I introduced it to the military and incorporated it every chance I have gotten.  No school or course I have attended (military or civilian) teaches the basics and pushes you to master them as well as Appleseed.  Without learning and mastering the basics you are just wasting ammunition and time.  As a civilian that just gets expensive.  In the military that can be absolutely fatal.  Appleseed teaches the basics/fundamentals the best that I have seen so far.  And Appleseed also teaches the history of our nation and its founders, something every soldier (and civilian) needs to learn or be reminded of.  Its a reminder of what they are fighting for and the cost of freedom we all take for granted.  The military needs Appleseed.  I am so incredibly proud of the contribution Appleseed and its instructors have made to our military and our country.
Title: Re: Here is how the Army is teaching Basic Rifle Marksmanship
Post by: SamD on March 15, 2010, 10:42:01 PM
I don't think we ever properly thanked Boltgun for getting the Appleseed foot in the door so I'll do it now

Thank you Boltgun  :bow:

It growing friend, it's growing.

Sam
Title: Re: Here is how the Army is teaching Basic Rifle Marksmanship
Post by: dart67eb on March 15, 2010, 10:55:49 PM
I'm probably not this the first to know this, but when I was in Army basic training in 1981 with M16-A1's we did not learn as much as I did in Appleseed.  We shot foxhole supported, prone supported and prone unsupported and sling use was not taught.  I was a helicopter crew chief but got to train with the 19D's (Cav Scouts) in my unit and none of them were taught this either.  Anyway, if what we teach brings one silly, immortal, 19yr old kid back alive (I'm talking about myself, back then), it is worth it.  I don't think you can have enough Guardian Angels.  My $.02.
Title: Re: Here is how the Army is teaching Basic Rifle Marksmanship
Post by: staplegund on March 16, 2010, 12:29:34 AM
Boltgun,
I'll second Sam's thank you.  This fire is lit.
Scott
Title: Re: Here is how the Army is teaching Basic Rifle Marksmanship
Post by: U.S.Cavalryman on March 17, 2010, 07:37:15 PM
The efforts of both the SCNG and the WSMR crews are blazing the way. You guys are bringing Rifleman back to the military.