Hello Group; Yes its just a bit early, but if you know me thats the way I like to start. So when you come LOOKING=== this is where you will find the skinny on the RECORD BREAKING IBC!!!!!!! ^:)^ ..:.. :~ :--- :)) @@) Call your Pals and tell em your NOT GOING TO MISS IT!!!!! &) @) :--- ;) ;D Pappy
Hello Group; This would be a great time for those of you who have items to trade, to find a new home for your items or trade for a new item. NO JUNK. All state and Federal laws apply. No full time dealers. For items to trade have a 3X5 card with your ITEM and Price or terms along with name.... We will post these for all to see... Pappy
If I knew an IBC was going to be this much fun I would have gone sooner! Wait this was only the first one that fit into my schedule. I can't think of a better way to spend a weekend. I think Illiconsin is on it's way and in very good hand. The only bad part is only one day left :(
I'm sure we'll make the most out of it or Fred and The Guy will bust out the clown bats &)
G.B.
My experience at the IBC was 100% positive. I learned more about marksmanship, our heritage and myself in those two days than I had ever expected.
It feels great to experience such an awakening.
I agree with all Secure Peace states and would like to add how invigorating it was to meet all the great people that attended. Sure the work ahead is hard, but one feels there is hope judging by the quality and quantity of people who turned out for this event. Big Thanks for Pappy and Mrs. who made this all possible with their gracious hospitality. Thanks to Guy for everything he brings to any event he attends and to the other leaders who made this such a rich experience. Great also to meet all the others outside of Illinois who made the long trek into our state thereby confirming Illinois ROCKS!!!
Templar223 checking in here.
Fifty people turned out from about seven or eight states to sharpen their instructing skills, hence the name "Instructor Boot Camp." About 35 or more of these people were "new" instructors, or IITs in Appleseed lingo.
Story time.
I was very proud to share an inside look at how Appleseed as grown in Illinois. I recall reading Fred's articles about the fledgling program in Shotgun News over the course of 2006 and in the fall of 2006, I spoke with some fellow board members of Guns Save Life where I serve as VP, including John N. (known as "The Editor" here) and we agreed that we, as GSL, would pay all of the costs of renting the Bloomington range at Darnall's if Fred and his people could provide the instructors.
Appleseed volunteers were very prompt and excited about our offer and after a few emails, it was on. The Guy was instrumental in nourishing our piqued interest. He was in a great position to do so as he was on our board of directors around that time and he gave a great history presentation at one of our meetings to share the excitement with our members in person.
We promoted the event in GunNews and if memory serves me right, when that day in May arrived, we had the second largest Appleseed event (after the big Evansville, IN event a few months before) ever to that time. We even had a very special guest at that event. Yes, Fred even came to visit us and help instruct at that event.
Fast forward not quite three years and the RWVA has a huge IBC right here in IL. Kudos to RWVA in its phenomenal growth. And now I find myself wearing an orange hat, along with lots of others, soon to be on the Appleseed trail, helping to teach more awakening Americans in learning and sharpening rifleman skills and learning about the nation's heritage.
At the IBC:
Pappy and his wife are VERY kind and generous hosts, allowing us free run of his house, including the man cave. Food was plentiful and good, most of it cooked up by Pappy and his wife. Many thanks to them.
Plenty of room for everyone to sleep and if you were willing to get up a bit early, you could even sneak in a shower in the morning.
And everyone was very nice. It was as if it was a big family event. The people there were simply outstanding - the kind of people wise men surround themselves with.
Personally, I had a good time and learned plenty of new things, and I may shamelessly steal some of the techniques I learned from some of the veteran Red Hats in courses I help teach at gsldefensetraining.com.
I found the "hands on" parts most helpful where new instructors were taught the Appleseed way and then "taught back" what they learned to veteran instructors. Allowing for more of that would be my only suggestion to improve the IBC. Embarrassment at not getting it right when doing it "live" makes for some fast memory work.
Also insightful were practical experiences of veteran instructors in how they've handled a host of issues at events.
I'll throw up some photos tomorrow as time permits. Still catching up from getting home.
Hope everyone else had a good a time.
Looking forward to learning more about Appleseed's way of teaching at upcoming events. I wish I could hang back and learn but I have a feeling I'll be thrown directly into the frying pan, as many have been before me.
John
I attended the Illinois IBC this weekend and all I have to say is OH MY GOSH!! it was awesome. I got to meet old friends again and made many new ones on the AS trail. I learned all kinds of stuff, one I have to share from Colycat he said "your front site is like your two children one good and one bad". your front site your bad child you always have to keep focused on, will do just the opposite of what you tell it to do, you tell it to go up and the (bullet) goes down, you tell it to go down and the (bullet) goes up. The rear site the good one, you tell it to go left and it goes left, your tell it to go right and it goes right. I always had to stop and think about it when I was adjusting sights, no more.
On the way home I practiced the six steps, and American history, and exercised my range voice as Patriot Gal taught us. Good stuff, the rusty gears were turning on the way home.
I have been to the RBC in Osage and the IBC in Ottawa, in the heart of America and you could not ask for better hosts. If you haven't been to one better sign up ASAP, you will see me at these two again!!
JG
It was a pleasure spending the weekend with everyone. Thanks to everyone involved, especially Pappy and Mrs. Pappy.
And Fred, the wife's hat was very, very well received. O0
Hi Everyone!
I heard a good joke...12 riflemen walk into a bar...
Just unwinding from a great weekend! It was so good to finally meet so many of you, and rally sit back and take notice of what we have in our region. The caliber of instructors is beyond comparison. I enjoyed fine tuning my instructing skills, and learning quite a bit of new information. I think the highlight for me was making a strike at 200 years with my M-1, in the snow! All of what we've been teaching does indeed work. I'm glad to have had this opportunity, and will use it to help me teach others.
A big thank you to Pappy & Mrs. Pappy. Your hospitality was gracious, and the accommodations, top notch. Thank you for opening your home to us.
As for the rest of yous...really, really good to meet you all. One of our strengths in this program is our diversity. I learned new ways to do old things, and I think it will really help me on the trail. The food was top-notch, and the company was great!
Another big thank you to Fred. Thank you for dropping in and helping us with our IBC. I never expected to get the chance to meet you so soon. It's good to know you have as much interest in this program as we do!
I look forward to seeing most of yous out there.
Whats the first safety rule??!!
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Sorry Pappy!
Quote from: Boba Fett on January 19, 2010, 02:18:36 PM
Quote from: Gumballhead on January 19, 2010, 11:28:22 AM
Whats the first safety rule??!!
Just ask Short shot. ;)
Well it just goes to show us. If we learned nothing else from this IBC, When in doubt find the nearest 12 year old. **)
Quote from: Gopher Boy on January 19, 2010, 02:30:46 PM
Quote from: Boba Fett on January 19, 2010, 02:18:36 PM
Quote from: Gumballhead on January 19, 2010, 11:28:22 AM
Whats the first safety rule??!!
Just ask Short shot. ;)
Well it just goes to show us. If we learned nothing else from this IBC, When in doubt find the nearest 12 year old. **)
She's only 9............ and a half. ^-^
BF
Hi All
I had an outstanding weekend - way to go Illinois ! The quality instruction and wonderful hospitality made this 'boot camp' experience extremely valuable for me. I came in knowing pretty much only the safety rules and an outline of the 6-steps, and quickly found myself in the deep-end of the pool, trying to 'get it' to the point of being able to instruct someone else. Absorbing, synthesizing.. and then trying to present IMC instruction to EEL. hahaha (I'll report that he was very helpful and did not reduce me to tears) ;D
Boba Fett - thanks for sharing on Sun morning.. It was a good word and I needed to hear it.
Pappy and Mrs Pappy - THANK you for opening up your home and blessing us with your hospitality.
After The Guy's admonition to 'never leave home without it', I will be correcting my ways! The Guy - your teaching style is very effective.
A real treat to meet Fred - thank you for attending this IBC. Like Gumballhead, I never expected to get a chance to meet you anytime soon. Thanks
for sharing your powerful vision for this program. I am hoping to help advance the mission of Appleseed here in MN and this was just the orientation and grounding I needed.
I got to work on my material on the way home. See a red car - do IMC. Blue truck, do steady-hold factors, etc...
Great to meet you all - looking forward to seeing you again on the Appleseed trail !
Javaguy
When in doubt find the nearest 12 year old.
Wasn't that something Guy said?? Or was that for the comeups @ 500 yds....I forget right now...... **) :))
It looks as tho' this was a premier event for AS, and the folks look like they are not only learning, but having fun doing it to boot.....
How great is it to be able to hang out with -that many- great folks, all under one roof?? O0 :bow: O0
Absolutely awesome!!
And Pappy, you did a real good job there of cleaning up the man cave for all those folks......do you have your ideas yet for the "new improved" casting setup yet? @@) ;)
Mrs Pappy, congrats on doing the host's job so well & graciously, as I know you did.....I see happy folks! :bow:
Guys, I can't tell ya all how much I would have rather been there..... :-\
And yeah, Illinois(ucks) is getting it's feet under it.....you guys get 'er dun, all right?!?! It's time to -ROCK-!!
LLP
13 Rifleman walk into a bar..... **) **) **) **) **)
An IBC Attendance Record Annihilated!!!!
^:)^
50!!!!!
Yes you read that correctly!! 50 Attendees from 9 States!!!!!!! ^:)^
Of course you may be thinking how the heck can you possibly get the message across at an IBC with 50 attendees!! This was echoed to me a time or two by Fred the Helpful, I said Fred, this is Illinois, we are good to go!
Well here is the break down folks, it explains how it's done!!
Our Instructor Team consisted of 18 dedicated Appleseeders from 7 different States!
IL = 7, WI = 4, OH = 2, IN = 2, MO = 1, MI = 1, NC =1
Of that crowd, the Head Honcho, 1 MI, 3 SI's, 7 SB's, 2 1/2 SC's, 6 RH's
Then you have an excellent group of 32 IIT/Volunteers eager to learn and ready to hit the trail!!
IL = 21, MO = 6, WI = 3, MN = 1, IA = 1
Of course enough cannot possibly be said about the incredible hospitality of Mr. & Mrs. Pappy!! It takes a ton of dedication to allow 50 people into your home, many of whom you have never met, and make them feel like old Friends! Truly Amazing, and again THANKYOU FOR YOUR DEDICATION!!
I also want to give thanks to all of those who brought plenty of excellent food for our potluck style meals, and cookies galore!!! I must have gained 12 lbs this weekend!! :o
Friday night was a great time to catch up and meet new Friends while planning the strategy for the weekend. This allowed Saturday to go off with out a hitch... almost. Saturday Morning started out quite entertaining. Otis the Drunken Labrador swung by to greet our campers, seems TreadCarefully's TeePee reminded Otis of a mountain to climb! While we all had a good chuckle inside eating breakfast ;D
The rest of the Day went without a hitch....almost. The phone rings....... it's Fred. OK OK no need to panic yet.... So we took the call in the top secret and secure Man Cave. Of course Fred was doing a bit of info mining, how many? How many Instructors? etc etc etc. Of course the word of his IL/SC wasn't Good enough so I passed the phone over to EEL.....
Yes Fred.....were fine Fred....no troubles at all Fred...we're good to go Fred...
We look at each other after the call, what was that about???
Then it happened, 30 minutes after the call, the alarm goes off....Whoop, Whoop, Whoop, Fred Alert, Fred Alert, Whoop, Whoop, Whoop (we had that installed after last years suprise visit **) ) Unfortunately we had not completed the DIVE!! DIVE!! function to the Basement yet, and with 50 people, undetected escape was impossible!
So we immediately hid all of the couches and TVs in a quick smooth Team Building Exercise! Boy was that close!! And then we got to work.
We finished Saturday off with a thumbs up or down vote....100% up
Sunday morning started off without a hitch. A few tail draggers from the top-secret meeting that stretched to nearly 2AM the night before, but we all perked up and smiled when Otis the Drunken Labrador Returned to harass the campers again! and then settled down for an optional Sunday Service ala Boba Fett
Then, just after Breakfast the phone rang.... It's Fred
It seems when Fred slipped out the night before, unbeknownest to him, he had a passenger...Ole' Sluefoot. Seems Ole' Sluefoot loves to skitch on the back of cars when it slippery out, and he grabbed onto Fred's rear bumper and skitched all the way back to where Fred was staying. Fred didn't see him then, but as he was going down the driveway in the morning to return to the IBC, there he was...Ole' Sluefoot standing right in the driveway waiting to give Fred some Harassment. Seems Sluefoot was pretty mad about just missing Fred last year and 2010 was payback time.
Well luckily for Fred, his wits were about him, and he had Pappy's number already dialed when Sluefoot knocked him off the driveway and he was stuck in the snow! That quick thinking gave him just enough time to get the mesaage out to Pappy with a location before Sluefoots breath blocked his cell reception!
Well Pappy looked at me, and I knew without a word what had happened. Been there done that last year when Sluefoot knocked me off the driveway on the way out of the Dec-2008 IBC.
Well, we had to act fast, we yelled in unison....Is There A Clown In The House!!!! As luck would have it, a retired clown stepped forward....GopherBoy said, how can I help?
Do you by chance have a Clown Bat, we asked??, as luck would have it he did have a spare Clown Bat!! We grabbed the Clown Bat and rushed it out to Ginger, the Heroic Chocolate Lab from Last years IBC. We gave her the Clown Bat and Fred's Location.
She rushed off in a Flash, and got to Fred just in the nick of time!! In a simultaneous move she tossed the Clown Bat to Fred and took a chunk out of Ole' Sluefoots leg. And working as a Team, Fred and Ginger the Wonderdog gave Ole' Sluefoot one heck of a Workover!! ..:.. &) ..:.. ~~:)
When they got the chance to go for it, Ginger pulled the car out of it's precarious situation, and thus Fred was able to attend Day 2 of the World's Largest IBC!!!
Of course this really irritated the Cat, who was was still tired of hearing about the brave Ginger, so she was a tad anti-social, but that was a small price to pay for Fred's safe return!
Thanks Gopher Boy for remembering the oath you took at Clown School....Never leave home with out a Clown Bat!
Day two poll.... 100% Thumbs up
Day Three started out as usuall, Otis the Drunken Lab doing a run by, and we all started about an hour later than the previous 2 mornings. We covered the rest of our POI ontime and got in a bit of actual shooting with a zero at 25 and a confirmation at 200 for about half of those left (the rest had to put up with me inside doing a mock Appleseed.). We then buttoned it up with EEL's Benidiction (Thanks EEL! O0 )
Day three the poll was 100% two-thumbs up!
It was great to meet you all and build that comraderie that the success of the Appleseed Project depends on! I look forward to seeing you all on the trail and observe your Orange Hats turn Red over the Year! I think Pappy's Cannon is going to be real busy this year!
I hope to see you ALL at the Waterman Get the Rust Out Shoot in March!! Not only will you get to work out that new found Instructor Skills, you will get a work out on the 600yd range as well!!
So in the meantime, make your lists, do your homework, dry-fire dry-fire, and get ready for this time next year!! we will need all of you to help teach the next record IBC.... 100+ (don't laugh, we are already working on the location!)
Don't forget the IBC in Ohio, Feb. 13-15/10!!! http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=11184.0 (http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=11184.0)
There really just isn't words to adequately describe events like this. So many great people, such great progress made, such a magical time that almost doesn't seem real OR even possible. Boot camps of any kind (at least the RBC and IBC I've been to) are like temporarily stepping off this planet and into some suburb of heaven for 3-5 days. @) It's only been one day and already I miss everyone terribly. :'( :'( This past weekend blew away all my expectations.
Pappy and Mrs. Pappy.... Holy Shnike!!!!!! :o You two are the best! O0 I cannot believe how you two made everything "work" as smoothly as it did.
Red Hat's of all ranks and sizes: Thank You !! :bow: :bow: There is no greater gift than for a man (or woman) to lay down his life for another and while most people take that Biblical reference to mean dying for someone else, it actually means more than that. Laying down your life for someone can certainly mean dying for them to physically save their life (and I know so many Appleseeders who would do that for another as would I), but in this context it also means "giving of your life" to someone else to make their life better. Laying down your life is an act of selflessness. An act of love. A privilege we've been given to Bless someone else... free of charge. It's something everyone in Appleseed understands because we do it at every Appleseed. You folks went beyond the call this weekend to come to an IBC for three days and pour yourselves into us both day and night. Thank you for your time, your wisdom, your love, and your willingness to lay down your lives for us IIT's this past weekend. It was greatly appreciated. I too loved Coly's analogy regarding sight adjustments and having one good kid and one bad one. It really sticks the point in your mind. I'll never forget which way to turn those adjustments again. ^:)^
More later, including pictures... I'm still digesting.... both figuratively and literally. ;D I've never eaten so much in all my life. If this kind of hospitality keeps up at events like this, we're going to need to look at partnering with weight watchers and work out some kind of trade agreement. :D
BF
14.....14......14......14...... **)
Quote from: Boba Fett on January 19, 2010, 02:33:08 PM
Quote from: Gopher Boy on January 19, 2010, 02:30:46 PM
Quote from: Boba Fett on January 19, 2010, 02:18:36 PM
Quote from: Gumballhead on January 19, 2010, 11:28:22 AM
Whats the first safety rule??!!
Just ask Short shot. ;)
Well it just goes to show us. If we learned nothing else from this IBC, When in doubt find the nearest 12 year old. **)
She's only 9............ and a half. ^-^
BF
What can I say, She's Gifted! Way to go Short Shot! O0
It was great.
EEL
Quote from: EEL on January 19, 2010, 07:24:09 PM
It was great.
EEL
It was great.......
It was Great?? ....
All you got is it was great!!!!Why I oughtta &) &) &)
**) **) **) **) **) **) ^:)^
Gotcha!!! You didn't really think that I could sum up this event that easily, did you? #) Nor could I have soooo few words. I mean, how is "It was great" gonna make ANYONE cry? :'(
I cannot say enough about the support we received from our neighbors O0 :bow: I can't begin to express our gratitude to those that enjoy much more freedoms than we do coming out to help not just the Illinois cause, but Appleseed as a whole. I don't know where we would be without the help of our neighbors. Riders were sent out in all directions. Every state with contiguous borders (It's OK Kentucky, we know you were there in spirit) responded to the "call to arms". And just for good measure, Michigan, Minnesoooota, Ohio, and N. Carolina came along. Men hurrying, with a purpose, men responding to a call for help, traveling from states not directly in peril, all converging on Concord Ottawa.
The ghosts of our forefathers came alive this weekend here in Illinois. The thoughts, ideals and values of the American Rifleman are not outdated. They live on in each and every one of us.
Posterity! You will never know how much it cost the present generation to preserve your Freedom! I hope you will make a good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in Heaven that I ever took half the pains to preserve it.
I firmly believe that we made our forefathers smile just a little this past weekend. Gave them a glimmer of hope that they shall not have to repent. That their sacrifices were not in vain. That Liberty lives on in the hearts and minds of Appleseeders all across this Nation.
Thanks again to all that gave up their precious time and allowed us to pass on some instruction to them this weekend. It was an honor to be a part of such a dedicated group of Americans!!
Now let's hit the trail and wake up a few thousand more slumbering Americans.
EEL
Petrified. :-\ :'(
This is the word that immediately entered my mind when I heard that we would not only be learning at the IBC, but TEACHING in front of EVERYONE (and quite possibly Fred :sos: )
I always thought that teaching in front of instructors would be much harder than teaching at an Appleseed- and, in a way, it is. And it should be. How else will we improve? These are the men and women who, at some point or another, have been that scared-to-death IIT and it was only through the help of other more experienced instructors (and courage) that they were able to advance to the level at which they are today. I cannot thank them enough for putting up with me for the weekend. I asked many questions and I wasn't satisfied until I heard a "great job" come out of their mouths- so consequently, I asked to redo my presentation several times (sorry Meanstreaker ++) )
IMC, at one time, was my undoing. I could never explain it (easily) to a shooter. I knew how to do it and could zero a rifle in my sleep, but I could not present it well. After this weekend, I am no longer afraid that the shooters will want to shoot me after my IMC presentation. WooT!! ^:)^
Steady hold factors-forgetaboutit! I've got those bad boys down. COLD. O0
On to more important things...A big MISSOURI THANK YOU to Pappy and Mrs. Pappy- You were both such gracious hosts. It shows tremendous dedication to open your home to complete strangers! I felt completely at home and never wanted for a thing! Y'all took care of us like we were family and I am so appreciative of that. (Oh, and Pappy, even as a "chick", I was in complete awe of the Man Cave! :bow: )
The experience as a whole was amazing, and I'm so glad I made the 8.5 hr trip to join in on the fun! I do not consider anyone involved in Appleseed as a stranger...only a friend that I have not yet had the pleasure to meet! and it was indeed a pleasure to meet every single one of you and to see some of you again O0 I look forward to seeing you all again on the trail!
MamaBear
(Kori)
Nice to meet you all even though I wasnt introduced to you all! It was fun to learn and practice, but hard to learn about the IMC and the long range stuff, but i think i got it...maybe thanks to Guy. I thought it was very productive and very fun to get to fellowship with everyone!
Uncle Eel it was great to see you, by the way, you got something on your chin...no the other one! **) **)
Garand.... &) You got it coming next time &)
Thanks to Pappy and Mrs. Pappy especially for the blanket on Sunday night...I was very warm!
It was nice to see Coly and OG again and it was nice to meet new folks; Ashes, Aftermath, Templar, MamaBear, Dinky, Trish, AhhShoot, Gopherboy, CookieLady, SOL, MeanStreaker, Endpoint, Jungle George, Gumballhead, DOM, etc.. Sorry i cannot think of everyone because there was so many! It would have been easier to remember if I would have been on time and heard introductions! !@#)
And of course Carol and Phil always a pleasure!
I cannot wait to see you all on the trail and put to use my newfound knowledge from this wonderful, long, exciting, cold, weekend!
Quote from: MamaBear on January 19, 2010, 08:03:37 PM
IMC, at one time, was my undoing. I could never explain it (easily) to a shooter. I knew how to do it and could zero a rifle in my sleep, but I could not present it well. After this weekend, I am no longer afraid that the shooters will want to shoot me after my IMC presentation. WooT!! ^:)^
That's what it's all about.....
And .5 says hi to everyone as she feels a bit guilty for not being there....
Was truly a great event to see so many people in one place for a purpose and to see that purpose moved forward. Thank you to every one that came. It
will make a difference!
- WRWIII
What a great joy to meet everyone at this IBC!
A big THANK YOU to all the Red Hats instructing for all the encouragement and support.
Another big THANK YOU to Pappy and Mrs. Pappy for the wonderful hospitality in sharing their home with us.
My brain is still a-whirling with Steady Hold, Inches>MOA>Clicks, Holdovers, drop calcs, names, dates, and pride in our Heritage.
Finally...
The answer really is 42... **)
In my case this was the last set of corrections for my sights 4 clicks windage and 2 clicks elevation which were written on my hand.
Which I wish I had applied to the sights before shooting at the gong at 200 yards... :wall:
My innital thought was @#%$^ :sos: at the innital numbers. :P
The last one was rough as it was.
However, I had more good help at this one, praise the Lord, so it went better than last year.
I couldn't do it alone, but due to some old hands stepping up, we went forward and excelled.
THANK YOU ALL!!!!!!
There were times where we were even ahead of "schedule", and we managed to get through the POI, excelently prepared by our own Master Planner Junior Birdman. He will most likely never know how much we appreciate his input and hard work, so to help combat this, please send him a PM thanking him for it.
With out the POI to keep things straight, we would have been very disjointed indeed.
It feels like we are winning. To get an IBC with these numbers, how can we not be. The spread of states, the effort, it all seemed like Fred's plan is progressing. We want to double each year, and it seems we are. In terms of preparedness to face the numbers, the way the I/IITs pull together, the comraderie, the willingness to work hard, etc.
The future looks bright accross the board.
I feel better about our chances than before last weekend.
Pappy and Jarret deserve kudos beyond expression for their willingness to put up with 50 folks in their very nice home for three days. Had those people been any but Appleseeders, I wonder if they would have been able to tolerate them. Speaks well of the guests. Thank you!!
In 1775, men and women from 13 basicly seperate countries agreed that something must be done. They set aside personal diferences to come together as one, to overcome. Today is no diferent, in the situation, and we must do the same. We may not all agree on the particulars, but the Mission remains. I hope we can all adapt to eachother and rise above to do what is needed to again overcome (peacefully that is!!). As I see the folks from 7 states come together for three glorious days, and get loads of work done, often into the wee hours of the morning, I feel like we are on the right track.
I have said it before, and I will say it again. No matter where else you go in this nation, you will not find a finer cross section of good people anywhere else. Appleseed attracts the finest.
We have a big year looking us straight in the face. 10,000 Appleseeders!
We can do it.
Keep the Faith,
Guy
Aaaahemmmm, Guy, you know that Fred is looking for that memo. You know, the one about the no more "ucks" at the end of Illinois. How about it? Think you can bring yourself to post it here? @)
It may not be Missouri or Montana....or 46 other states for that matter (yet).......but with the folks on board that we have.........I believe we are quickly quickly moving in that direction.
Now how 'bout a little sumthin' sumthin' ;D
EEL
http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=11369.0
@)
Thanks a lot EEL! !@#)
~~:) ~~:) ~~:)
BF
I wish I could have been there, but I'm going to be part of an IBC that is going to break your all's record. That's according to Dinky Dao, not me (even if I do agree with her. 8))
---GFG
Made to be broken, and I hope so.
GoGoOhio!!
Say "hi" to the family for me.
You got it, Guy!!! 8)
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---GFG
Quote from: GoldFishGunr on January 20, 2010, 06:22:33 PM
I wish I could have been there, but I'm going to be part of an IBC that is going to break your all's record. That's according to Dinky Dao, not me (even if I do agree with her. 8))
---GFG
;D That's the whole point GFG!! It gets boring holding the record more than a month or so anyway!! I'll try to send some Illinoisians your way to help with the numbers :sos:
Boba Fett! Quit Cherr Belly Achin' and get back to bailing!! ~~:) ~~:) ~~:)
Quote from: Garand69 on January 20, 2010, 07:04:09 PM
Quote from: GoldFishGunr on January 20, 2010, 06:22:33 PM
I wish I could have been there, but I'm going to be part of an IBC that is going to break your all's record. That's according to Dinky Dao, not me (even if I do agree with her. 8))
---GFG
;D That's the whole point GFG!! It gets boring holding the record more than a month or so anyway!! I'll try to send some Illinoisians your way to help with the numbers :sos:
Boba Fett! Quit Cherr Belly Achin' and get back to bailing!! ~~:) ~~:) ~~:)
I'm already on my way to Ohio. ..:..
BF
Quote from: EEL on January 20, 2010, 04:09:51 PM
Aaaahemmmm, Guy, you know that Fred is looking for that memo. You know, the one about the no more "ucks" at the end of Illinois.
Actually, Fred is looking more at this:
QuoteThe Guy: We have a big year looking us straight in the face. 10,000 Appleseeders!
Now, elsewhere, I hear the poor, benighted (and seemingly uninformed) IL SC jabbering about "1200" - so he's clearly out of the loop!
It's great to know IL will be grabbing up
half of the 20,000 Appleseeders we hope to attract to the program this year!
Yes, by all means, let's "get the (ucks) out!" :)
What a great pleasure to be at this event! To meet a lot of new faces (faces I hope to be seeing again, on the AS Trail), and to see old faces I don't get enough chance to see.
Clearly Pappy and Mrs. J get a big round of applause for the excellent job of hosting. (And even planning for 100 next time!) Mrs. J has the first blue "RWVA Supporter/Volunteer" hat awarded in the nation, and hope we'll get a pic of her and the hat posted, as it's hard to say which looks better! O0 [So you can tell, that hat must look pretty darn good! O0 :)]
I suggested to G69 that he might want to plan another IBC for summer, as he should have another 35-40 IIT volunteers by then, to go with the 50 new (and old) Red Hats - yes, by summer, all you orange hats should be RHs O0 - so be on the look-out for the announcement.
This was a great gathering, an opportunity for me to not only meet
a bunch of new IIT/ITs, but to get some needed face time with some of the movers-and-shakers to map out the coming months in the program. You'll be seeing some of the results of those talks in the near future.
Again, a great weekend - almost reminds me of any event in CA, there was so much good feeling in the air! ^:)^
Hello Group; Jarrett and I would like to again thank every one for there generosity. The event went well and we are looking forward to next years :bow:RECORD SETTING event O0.
We have quite a load of lawn chairs that were left here
PLEASE check and make sure you have all (your) stuff. Example SHOOTING COAT.
I will post a list soon of lost and found items.
Thanks again for being great guests and friends. See ya on the trail. Jon & Jarrett Papineau
Yeah, Pappy. I realized halfway home I left a UN blue chair (figured nobody would steal it!) ;D and Boba called to tell me I left my shooting jacket on his cot. He'll be giving it to me when we see each other next. Hopefully that's all I left behind.
Oh wait, I may have left a squirrel rifle laying around your cave.... looks a lot like yours.... I'll give you the address of my FFL so you can ship it back to me. O0
Thanks again for your hospitality.
Oh wait, I may have left a squirrel rifle laying around your cave.... looks a lot like yours.... I'll give you the address of my FFL so you can ship it back to me. O0
Sure I will get it out ASAP but I will need some FRN for postage and the SR# of your Gopher getter, they all look so much alike. :D O0 Pappy
I hope a lot of you guys WILL come to Ohio to help make this IBC a record. It would be great to have my first IBC a record event. Boba Fett and Garand 69 are certainly welcome to assist in that large undertaking. Any chance that you'll come, Fred? Please? :-[ :-[
---GFG
This was a weekend VERY well spent. I learned alot and appreciated the instructors listening to me stumble on words ..:.. and offer constructive feedback while trying to hone my explanations.
It has been said many times in this thread, but i could say it a thousand more and it wouldn't be nearly enough...THANK YOU Pappy and Mrs. Pappy for the magnificent hospitality, your warm hearts are an inspiration.
It appears Illisconsin over-achieved again:
How many people were supposed attend the Ottawa IBC? 42 (we all know this is always the answer)
By having 50 attend we put in our 120% effort for a great start to the year. ^:)^
Quote from: GoldFishGunr on January 20, 2010, 08:27:26 PM
= Any chance that you'll come, Fred? Please? :-[ :-[
Would love to (thanks for the invite!), but can't say for sure until a few days ahead - heck, I didn't know I was really coming to IL until 48 hours prior... ::)
12 riflemen walk into a bar. I LOVE IT!! I think we have a new prop for every IBC in the future. ^-^
First off, Like so many others I would like to send thanks to Mr. & Mrs. Pappy for inviting all of us into their home. You made us all feel welcome and your hospitality is like no other. O0
As a new person to the program, with a lot to learn, I appreciate all of the various RH that offered their wisdom throughout the weekend. Your coaching & teaching are invaluable to me. Thank You :bow:
How does that quote go "All work and no play makes ______ a dull boy" ??? We did some fancy book learnin', but we also had a lot of laughs along the way.
I'm looking at the Illinois AS calendar and trying to figure out my schedule. I'm pledging out in the open that I will attend a minimum of 12 AS this year. This does not include the IBC and the RBC later this year at Ossage Beach. I can see Garand now writing this down in his notebook. @)
I also plan to do some border raiding this year as well >:D
Next stop Waterman............Who's with me :) ............Oh wait, next stop Dupage County Fairgrounds...Pappy... PM inbound.
BTW; what's the record for the most hits on a IBC thread? Just wonderin'
Several rifleman ducked the bar, I walked into it once, it was bad !! I don't intend to do that again, but Pappy needs to keep the bar it's good for laughs.
JG
I rang the bar twice...Then I decided not to do it again....I guess it takes me longer to learn. **)
Put me down for one shooting jacket and one green lawn chair. Not too concerned about the chair since it was leftover from Appleseed at Ottawa last year. See how the world is round? ;)
Thanks again Pappy and Mrs.. It was great of you to have us.
And it was great to finally meet all of you RedHats about whom I have heard only rumors.
Orange Hats! You are an impressive bunch of people.
The program is better now that you are part of it.
I look forward to having any and all of you on my line some day. Well done!
See you on trail soon!
42 @)
TC, I have your shooting jacket. See you soon with it.
42!
Thanks to Mr. and Mrs Pappy for opening up their home to us. Thank you to all the instructors who took the time to pass on their knowledge. I hope to see you all more as time goes on. oldbolts.
42!
TC you are still a meanie. IMC? Me? In front of a group? Ha!
Just kidding. TC i love you (not like that) ;). I couldn't be mad a the guy who gave me my patch, an orange hat, and my coin all in the same day...in the rain so... :bow:. HAHAHA. ^:)^
So this IBC thing...yeah...I...uhh... ~~:) Okay, okay. I had a lot of fun. First time at an IBC, success!
Met a lot of new people, watching a lot of old friends passing me up in the Instructor grid. Ouch.
Got to shoot my new(used) .308. Very intense. Thanks for looking it over Pappy. I shot 5 rounds of Guy's ammo at 200yds and i heard 3 "pings". I had never done that before. can you say AWESOME?!?! :---
When i looked a the steel plate afterwards i was feeling like this: ..:..
Karl it was nice meeting you.
-ERS
I know there has to be more pics out there somewhere!! Post 'em up! Did anyone get a pic of me (trying) to hold Pappy's 14 during SHF for sitting with T.C.? I'm laughing out loud just thinking about how ridiculous I must have looked trying to hold that baby up during demo! **)
I'm totally jealous that y'all got to do some shooting after we left!! And after driving home in the "death fog" it kind of made me wish we would have stayed for a little extra fun! :---
Pics! Pics! Pics!
MB
Don't worry Cookie, doing IMC in front of actual students is going to be a piece of cake now. Just keep practicing. Maybe you can come to Alton in April and give it another try >:D
And MamaBear, I don't know what you're talking about - how can a woman holding an M14 not look good?
Quote from: TreadCarefully on January 22, 2010, 10:10:57 AM
- how can a woman holding an M14 not look good?
True dat. :cool2:
;D Exactly!
I have a whole roll I need to pick up, I'll get them on ASAP. I thought there was at least one more camera other than mine and Templar's
I've pics to post as well. Need to get them off the camera and in the puter. Hopefully, I'll make time this weekend.
I posted some pics on page 1 but (oops) neglected to UL them to the server first.
They are up now. Check out the first page again.
"Sorry Pappy" was ref. him being on dial up.
John
12 rifleman walk into a bar... what bar? ... all you have to do is simply walk UNDER the bar.... and EEL, no one even cried!!!
This was a great weekend, being able to really absorb a lot of information, but done one topic at a time. The 'stations' for the 6 six steady hold factors was a terrific idea! It gave all of us a lot of practice, plus we were able to take a piece of learning from each different instructor at the different stations (one on one feedback... an awesome feat with 50 people). I also was able to tweak up my use of the sling for the standing steady hold factors, thanks to The Guy, which, PHEW, came in REALLY handy when having to hold the M14 for a LLOONNGG time (being the model dummy) while another IIT did the talk through.
From my previous Appleseeds and the IBC, I have some kudos to send out to the Red Hats:
EEL: Thanks for a bit of humor to relieve the tension while trying to learn from the firehose to be a rifleman
The Guy: It's OK to take a break and pause a moment to get back the zen to relax and focus towards NPOA
AhShoot: The 'translation' method to explain IMC, keeping it simple is a wonderful thing
ColyCat: Your scope is not to be your crutch, focus on doing the right thing, and you won't go wrong
Gopher Boy: Thank you for the ability to hear the Ride... wink-wink.... I'm finally getting somewhere
Long Shot: Great idea for the mini mag holder: retractable pen, Sharpie, & small flathead screwdriver (working on getting mine together)
Short Shot: We must all remember to follow your example to let go of our hurt feelings and forgive our neighbor =)
Pappy & Mrs Pappy: PERSEVERENCE!
Trisha: A TON of support!
Garand69: (Did you really think I would forget you) Rifleman's BUBBLE! Do I have to say any more??
To all of the other Instructors & IITs: You all are a wonderful bunch of people! Thank you everyone for the sharing of your ideas and wisdom.
Warm wishes to all,
VIPER
Quote from: TreadCarefully on January 22, 2010, 10:10:57 AM
Don't worry Cookie, doing IMC in front of actual students is going to be a piece of cake now. Just keep practicing. Maybe you can come to Alton in April and give it another try >:D
I think we are going to ISRA on the 17,18 weekend. :'( :'(. But I can't wait to go back...I just had a thought, Is billy an orange hat? If he isn't... !@#) &) Haha just kidding.
Quote from: templar223 on January 22, 2010, 10:55:04 PM
I posted some pics on page 1 but (oops) neglected to UL them to the server first.
They are up now. Check out the first page again.
"Sorry Pappy" was ref. him being on dial up.
John
Thanks for the clarification
Viper...
Quit suckin up, you should see the "pebbles" I have on order to test the bubble next time :o ^:)^
Garand,
It's not sucking up, I can be NICE...think fuzzy bunny! When people do good things, they should know. The impact of the Red Hats should be heard!
Pebbles... boulders.... BRING IT ON! The bubble is ready!
No Zingers for you!
Viper
Quote from: Cookie on January 23, 2010, 12:44:05 AM
I think we are going to ISRA on the 17,18 weekend. :'( :'(. But I can't wait to go back...I just had a thought, Is billy an orange hat? If he isn't... !@#) &) Haha just kidding.
My nephew Billy will be back again this year so I expect he will be soon.
And in all seriousness, Cookie, you set a fine example.
Quote from: TreadCarefully on January 23, 2010, 06:15:23 PM
And in all seriousness, Cookie, you set a fine example.
Thank you TC. I hope someday to be a Red Hat so i can keep on settin'. @). Until next time!
Hello Group; LOST AND FOUND @&) @&) ++) #)........... OK there are a few chairs, a red white and blue one with a flaggy kind of bag, two green ones I think they are EEL`s, A dry erase board and markers, 4011 half empty cans or bottles of assorted fluids.. water I hope, Two matts look like sleeping pads, one Black light weight rifle. One 5gal water jug white-ish,
I will do my best to get this stuff back to who ever it belongs to. O0
The planning for next years Illinois and (NATIONAL IBC) is in the works so Stay tuned folks, Attendance is projected to be near 100. The location will be changing to meet the needs of that size group. Mrs P and I hope that each of you will attend again next year at the next higher roll. This is what makes this program strong. Pappy & Mrs P.
Yes I was kiddin about the rifle, ^-^ ^-^ :cool2: ^:)^
Per Mrs. Pappy I left the Diet Coke for you. (I think there were 2 12-packs)
G.B.
Ok, Here are a few pics, hope you enoy....
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I believe this is the begining of Folks showing up on friday night
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The Ladies having way too much fun picking on Boba Fett via Text **) **) **)
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Bill3 & Cookie helping with a breakfast for 50
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Illinois IBC's are so thourough we even cover dental Hygiene...boy someone is in trouble for taking that pic **) **)
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Yes we actually did some work..
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Congrats to Tinman and his new Orange Hat
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Great Eats, Great Company..
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Shortshot catching some zzzz's or is it Kira catching a Shortshot??
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Missing a few, but you get the idea..
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Gopher Boy being a Gopher Boy **)
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Fred to Garand69...Do you know this fella with the pink hat who keeps hitting on me?? :---
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Meanstreaker and the new Volunteer/Supporter/Appleseed widow Hats
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Saying Thanks to Mr. & Mrs. Pappy!!
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Try again G'Man. #)
You caught me in mid-edit!!
The Ladies having way too much fun picking on Boba Fett via Text
I don't know...... I thought Boba's text to G69 in Dec was pretty funny **) **).......same place, some of the same folks...... @) ..:..
And Fred to Garand69...Do you know this fella with the pink hat who keeps hitting on me??
That ain't no "Cali hug" that fella's giving Fred!!! Ya know, I bet that fella's from Ohio or sumthin'!! They get snowed in -waaaayyy- too often!! ^:)^ :D **) **)
Now these are some truly epic pictures!! O0 :bow: O0
What a group!! @) ..:.. ;)
LLP
Quote from: LayloPro on January 25, 2010, 06:03:35 PM
The Ladies having way too much fun picking on Boba Fett via Text
I don't know...... I thought Boba's text to G69 in Dec was pretty funny **) **).......same place, some of the same folks...... @) ..:..
That was a voice mail I left for Garand back in Dec. Text messages are a whole different story!
Remember: WHAT HAPPENS AT AN IBC... STAYS AT THE IBC. :-X
Just like Vegas. ;)
BF
Remember: WHAT HAPPENS AT AN IBC... STAYS AT THE IBC. :-X
Just like Vegas. ;)
BF
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We are still laughing about those texts! Crack me up **)
You could say that IBC is somewhat like Vegas...You are very excited to go, you think you will "Wow" everyone with your skills, you get knocked off your "high horse", and there is some crying involved... There are also many, many things that you choose to omit to those people (spouses) who were not there :-X >:D
Great Pics, G69!!! I especially liked that you captured me in my sock monkey pajamas...it's not many people that I let see me in such attire ;)
Boba,
true, true...I had forgotten (Mad Cow) that it was a voice message you had sent to G69 in the effort to hurry him along back in Dec.....
Text's can be "almost" as bad..... ::)
And yeah, IBC's & RBC's can bring out some -interesting- details about the folks we instruct with......you wanna know how somebody -really- is?
Camp with them for a week...... :o %) **)
Speaking of Vegas, we're doing a shoot out there (Boulder City) in a couple of weekends....didn't some of you folks earn a vacation on Fred?
Not much snow on the ground out there right now, and it's barely "nippy" at all....folks walking around in their t-shirts & all..... @) ^:)^
Now doesn't that sound better than freezing? O0 ^-^
LLP
Quote from: MamaBear on January 30, 2010, 12:55:02 AM
Great Pics, G69!!! I especially liked that you captured me in my sock monkey pajamas...it's not many people that I let see me in such attire ;)
**) **) **) **)
It was way too much fun, I'm glad you all made it back safe in that wonderful fog. Hope to see you again rea soon O0
Vegas, their going to let you go to Vegas LLP?? This could be trouble, has Vegas been forewarned??/ >:D
I already have a full travel plate the first quarter of the year ala Appleseed, maybe next time O0
Vegas, their going to let you go to Vegas LLP?? This could be trouble, has Vegas been forewarned??/
Naw, *sadness*....not this shoot... :'(.....Desert Dog & Chris_H have it -very- competently covered, while I do Corona out here....closer to home..... :))
But, after the last 25+ yrs, Vegas -knows- my name...... :o
Thought you snow bunnies might want a break in all that "chilli" weather you got going on out there..... O0 :cool2:
Hi Everyone,
I would like to thank everyone for helping out with the IBC. It was a great event. I can't say enough about the friendships that Pappy and I have made through this organization. I have attached a picture of the blue hat that Fred talked about earlier. Thank you Fred and Meanstreaker for this hat. It is an honor to be the first one in Illinois to receive it. Thank you everyone. See you on the Appleseed Trail. Mrs. Pappy
Quote from: Mrs.Pappy on January 31, 2010, 12:10:54 PM
Thank you Fred and Meanstreaker for this hat. It is an honor to be the first one in Illinois to receive it.
First one in the country! O0
With your generosity and hospitality, I can't think of any that deserve it more. Thanks again for all you did to make that weekend a success.
First Blue hat in the country and 15minutes of us taking pictures for the best shot of the hat, and all we get is the Hat!!!! I could have sworn there was a pic with a smile in it!!! &)
Mrs. Pappy's hat should have number 1 on it!!
JG
Hi Again,
Fred wanted a picture of the hat. Here is one with Fred and me. Pappy added a few more.
Thanks again everyon. Mrs. Pappy
Quote from: Gopher Boy on January 24, 2010, 11:39:57 PM
Per Mrs. Pappy I left the Diet Coke for you. (I think there were 2 12-packs)
G.B.
G.B.
Thanks for leaving me the Diet Coke.
Mrs. Pappy
I love this picture. Needs more photoshopping. ;)
First is full size. Second is half size for those who are 56k.
I was just harrassing you Mrs. Pappy ;D
Nice pics O0
Thanks for the cropping, I'll have to find a use for those!
P.S. Hey Ashes, the "love" for those pics would'nt be because your front row center is it..... &) Seeking fame and fortune in Appleseed is counter-productive...especially the fortune part **) **)
He's not draggin' wood there, is he? >:D
Hello All; It is nice to see a line of shooters who are not shooting all RIMFIRES for a change. At 200 the 22`s seem to have hang time. We did not have to wait for the steel gong to tell us of hits!!! Well done fellows. Pappy
Quote from: Garand69 on February 02, 2010, 12:06:07 PM
P.S. Hey Ashes, the "love" for those pics would'nt be because your front row center is it..... &) Seeking fame and fortune in Appleseed is counter-productive...especially the fortune part **) **)
Naw. Just means I found a new profile pic! **)
Ashes,
I gotta admit, that is an -outstanding- picture of a great buncha folks, all firing "right sized" (mostly) rifles.....the only minor quibble I would have with it at all, is the simple fact that those hats aren't all red....but y'all are working to fix -that-, aren't ya? ;) :cool2: O0
Don't be like that "other Elvis", and have to be dragged kickin' & screamin' into "Red-Hat-hood"....... ~~:) &) @&)
I love a whole bunch of you folks out there, family included, but you guys have a -lot- of make up work to do to cover the costs of that export from last year.......& you know what I'm talkin' 'bout...... >:D %) :---
Be well, all, let's get this dun!!
LLP
Quote from: LayloPro on February 05, 2010, 03:06:10 AM
Ashes,
I gotta admit, that is an -outstanding- picture of a great buncha folks, all firing "right sized" (mostly) rifles.....the only minor quibble I would have with it at all, is the simple fact that those hats aren't all red....but y'all are working to fix -that-, aren't ya? ;) :cool2: O0
Don't be like that "other Elvis", and have to be dragged kickin' & screamin' into "Red-Hat-hood"....... ~~:) &) @&)
I love a whole bunch of you folks out there, family included, but you guys have a -lot- of make up work to do to cover the costs of that export from last year.......& you know what I'm talkin' 'bout...... >:D %) :---
Be well, all, let's get this dun!!
LLP
Hey Kenny Rodgers, You keep calling me Elvis and we'll have to wrastle &) **)
As for exports.. we have banned all IL Exports for the next 5 years ;)
See you soon
I dunno,Garand.....
you really sure you wanna wrassle with a "Californian"? :o **) @) :))
I'll have to bring my brudda KoolAid with me next time, he has an "interesting way" of wrasslin' with guys......
(pssst, ask The Guy!)
And 10-4 on the exports, that last one's pretty expensive already..... :'( &)
Be well, buddy!
LLP