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Road to Rifleman => Skill Sets of Shooting => Topic started by: tdow on December 17, 2009, 12:17:00 AM

Title: Amazing Bolt Gun Technique
Post by: tdow on December 17, 2009, 12:17:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfY899uNOk0

17 hits on a head sized target at 230 meters in 25 seconds with an iron sighted bolt action rifle.

Notice that he is using his middle finger to actuate the trigger.

I'm suddenly feeling very humbled and inspired.
Title: Re: Amazing Bolt Gun Technique
Post by: SamD on December 17, 2009, 01:05:04 AM
Where does it spec the target and distance?
Several of us have operated Grizzled-one's Izmash BI-7 that way but I find 22 at 230 meters just a bit strechy.
The BI-7 is pretty easy to do that with. Started as a Biathlon rifle and is very smooth. "Straight Pull" bolt with a cam lockup. You can flick it open and closed without having to get a grip.

You can do pretty well with a SMLE too once you learn to operate the bolt and choice of finger for trigger actuation is just a matter of training that finger. 
Title: Re: Amazing Bolt Gun Technique
Post by: Colorado Pete on December 17, 2009, 01:14:50 AM
He's holding the bolt knob continuously, and it has a short throw so it's only a wrist-flick to work it. Much like the British technique with the old Enfield. Very slick!
Title: Re: Amazing Bolt Gun Technique
Post by: J Jessup on December 17, 2009, 10:10:00 AM
Neat video.  Note how he barely moves--must have NPOA.

tdow, can you read the description?

Jess
Title: Re: Amazing Bolt Gun Technique
Post by: Bill of Rights on December 17, 2009, 12:27:55 PM
According to Google language translation, this is Norwegian and says:
QuoteSkytekurs by Setnesmoen military camp. John Olav Ã…gotnes was one of his instructors. Here he would try his hand on 17 shots in 25 sec. Certainly faan he met at all!

Granted, the translation is somewhat lacking, but at least it's an idea of what's said.

Blessings,
Bill
Title: Re: Amazing Bolt Gun Technique
Post by: tdow on December 17, 2009, 12:58:06 PM
I got some of the information from a fellow in Norway who posted the link on a different forum.  He posted several other links, including the rules for the event, all in Norwegian.  I believe the video I linked to was from the finals of the rapid fire event.
Title: Re: Amazing Bolt Gun Technique
Post by: lysander6 on March 12, 2010, 01:02:46 PM
Anyone have a link to a video of the rapid technique for the SMLE?
Title: Re: Amazing Bolt Gun Technique
Post by: jacques on March 12, 2010, 02:05:43 PM
Quote from: lysander6 on March 12, 2010, 01:02:46 PM
Anyone have a link to a video of the rapid technique for the SMLE?

Unless you have some padding on your shoulder, I don't know if I would do that with an smle. With no grip on the stock pulling it into the shoulder, there is going to be some serious bruising going on. The actions on the smle aren't as easy/smooth as a small caliber rifle like a .22 either. You have to really drive that cartrige into the chamber.

I saw a guy shoot a score on an AQT with a .17 bolt action.

I have a goal, and that is to do it with my No4 Mk2. Still need to get up to the range and start working on that though.
Title: Re: Amazing Bolt Gun Technique
Post by: GoldFish on March 12, 2010, 04:46:24 PM
That's amazing!  Just shows you that using NPOA will make you a great shot. 
Holding the bolt the entire time and squeezing the trigger with his middle finger are interesting techniques. 

What kind of caliber does everybody think he is using that allows such a short bolt cycle distance?  tdow, do you know?   

---GF
Title: Re: Amazing Bolt Gun Technique
Post by: tdow on March 12, 2010, 07:14:20 PM
Quote from: GoldFish on March 12, 2010, 04:46:24 PM
That's amazing!  Just shows you that using NPOA will make you a great shot. 
Holding the bolt the entire time and squeezing the trigger with his middle finger are interesting techniques. 

What kind of caliber does everybody think he is using that allows such a short bolt cycle distance?  tdow, do you know?   

---GF

6.5x55
Title: Re: Amazing Bolt Gun Technique
Post by: Colorado Pete on March 13, 2010, 12:17:09 AM
The Enfields (SMLE No. 1 Mk III and No. 4 Mk 1 & 2) lend themselves very well to this. You have to hold the rifle in your shoulder with the forward support hand, contrary to Appleseed doctrine. The trigger hand holds the bolt and not the stock pistol grip. You do have to push hard on closing the bolt since it is a cock-on-closing design, but that's one reason you pull it in tight with the forward hand. The bolts, especially on well-used rifles, are very slick, and the throw is not as long as you'd think.
Pull it into your shoulder tight with your support hand, get a firm grip on the bolt handle with thumb and forefinger, keep your face (jaw, not cheek) firmly on the low stock comb and eye on the sights, and start cranking, pulling the trigger with your middle finger. Oh yeah, lean way into it too. Works very well.
Title: Re: Amazing Bolt Gun Technique
Post by: AZbinary on March 16, 2010, 09:27:25 PM
Lysander,

Try this link for the middle finger on trigger technique with the SMLE  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m1yN-3n0FU
Title: Re: Amazing Bolt Gun Technique
Post by: lupis42 on April 23, 2010, 07:45:10 PM
Quote from: AZbinary on March 16, 2010, 09:27:25 PM
Try this link for the middle finger on trigger technique with the SMLE  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m1yN-3n0FU

I can't help but notice that he's not using his sling...  Still, I need to give that a try.