Modifying the Marlin 795 for the Appleseed
Or How I made a Liberty Rifle and shot Rifleman
I chose to start with the Marlin 795 for two reasons: I have had a number of Marlins and like them all; and I read that it was remarkably accurate and reliable for so inexpensive a rifle. The other obvious choice was the Ruger 10/22, and while I have subsequently seen many of them at Appleseed shoots, I do not regret my choice.
First we might look at what is needed to make a good rifle for an Appleseed shoot. Reliability seems most important. Almost nothing will ruin your day at training faster than a rifle that malfunctions. Secondly the ability to reload it reasonably quickly. Appleseeds require some rather rapid shooting and a single shot, tube fed, or to a lesser extent, a bolt action, are all hindrances. Third, accuracy, both inherent and practical. By inherent I mean what the rifle is capable of shooting under ideal conditions. More importantly is the concept of practical accuracy, to include good sights , a stock that fits, sling, trigger pull, etc. I have put the accuracy in third place as 4 MOA is all that is needed to achieve rifleman. Most off the shelf .22 rifles these days are capable of that level of accuracy. The Marlin is much more accurate than that. However, achieving rifleman will require both a reasonably accurate rifle and a shooter who has learned how to use it well in a variety of field positions and under time constraints.
The Marlin 795 is an excellent compromise choice given the above requirements. It is normally quite reliable, especially if one is careful to clean it thoroughly and then lube it lightly.
It comes with a ten round magazine, and additional magazines are readily available as the design is shared with Marlin 's recent bolt and auto .22s. Keeping the rifle fed is pretty easy, except that the magazines are a tight fit and generally have to be pulled out, (more on this later). As a note the Ruger 10/22 is not all that easy to change magazines on either; although the extensive aftermarket has solutions to that problem, like most others, for a price.
The 795 is remarkably accurate "out of the box", generally significantly more so than the Ruger, however, in fairness there are a myriad of aftermarket options that can turn the Ruger into a tack driver. One limiting factor with the Marlin are the open sights the rifle comes with. In a word, they are impossible. They need replaced (as do the stock sights on a Ruger). While the rifle comes with posts to mount detachable swivels, a sling is a bit more complicated than that. The stock on a Marlin 795 is an inexpensive plastic with a forend that is awfully flexible. So to get practical accuracy from a Marlin the forend needs stiffened for sling use and the sights need replaced. Another "issue" with the Marlin is that it is remarkably light, this is great for weaker shooters, but can be a hindrance for others, especially off hand.
That seems to me to be a rather short list of deficiencies for so inexpensive a rifle (the rifle is often advertised at major sporting goods stores for approximately $120, on sale). Below you will see how I have "fixed" each of the above problems.
Reliability of my rifle was excellent and I have not had to deal with this at all, except to keep the action clean and lightly lubed. I admit to using CLP although it is my understanding that a dry lube may be better.
Reloading, is simply a matter of buying enough magazines for the intended use. For Appleseed four are needed if you will be shooting the rapid 40 shot course. Two will suffice if your event only does regular 10 shot strings of fire. In either case a spare can't hurt. From my limited experience "Gander Mountain" has good prices, (http://www.gandermountain.com/modperl/product/details.cgi?r=view&i=402897). An area I am considering addressing is loosening up the magazine fit so that released magazines fall free; as this would facilitate quicker reloads, and also allow the support hand and elbow to remain in place and aid a prompt return to NPOA. At this point I have loosened the fit by slightly opening the magazine well by sanding, I don't find this a very appealing prospect and will be looking for a better solution.
For accuracy a sling is a virtual necessity. Appleseed recommends the GI sling as used on the Garand, etc. I concur, this is a relatively inexpensive and easy to use sling that really works. One can normally buy these from Fred. Yes that Fred, Appleseed's founder, at( http://www.fredsm14stocks.com/catalog/acc.asp) , although he was temporarily out recently. Unfortunately, the forearm of the Marlin is a rather thin and flexible affair. What I have done on my rifle is to cut a rod and epoxy it into the forearm. This stiffens the forend up beautifully and also adds a little weight, win-win and very inexpensive. Another improvement I did to my rifle stock was to foam the remainder of the rod (a large spike) into the hollow butt of the stock. This eliminates the hollow sound and also adds a little weight to the stock. I used "Great Stuff" foam which one can get at any home improvement store. Another practical accuracy aid is a better trigger. On the Marlin this is actually made of plastic and is, not surprisingly, rather mushy. I have been studying means to improve the trigger but have not yet done anything but run a stone over the surfaces and grease them. Actually, the trigger is somewhat better and appears that it may wear itself into adequacy. Finally, but perhaps most importantly, I replaced the factory open sights with Tech Sites, http://www.tech-sights.com/. These are a huge improvement. This change alone accounted for most of the enhancement to my Marlin's practical accuracy and usability for Appleseed. The rear aperture attaches directly to the dovetail scope mounting point and the front sight simply replaces the original front sight, using the existing hole. Very simple to install and then easy to sight in. The cost is approx. $75 delivered, and this is money very well spent. An other option would be a scope or red dot sight. I am very fond of aperture sights; and shoot them well, so I do not believe there is more practical accuracy with either for me. However, if you have poor eyesight a scope or red dot might be what you need.
There you pretty much have it, a reliable, accurate rifle out of an inexpensive box. Add sights, sling and swivels, and stiffen up that stock and voila, an excellent rifle to use at an Appleseed and then use to teach others. Let's get up off the couch and out to the range. With the accuracy and the cost of the Marlin 795 there is no excuse not to earn that rifleman's badge.
For Pictures:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rundownfid/sets/72157622843370327/
Sounds like a good deal, you have addressed most problems as cheaply as possible. Magazines are tricky on the Ruger the stock ones will for the most part will drop free if you sand all of the molding flash off, however if you put an aftermarket stock on it may change. The Marlin has metal Magazines and may not drop free because the mag has spread out, or the mag well is not to spec. I do not feel there is an ideal rifle (it would cost to much) straight from a manufacture, almost all manufacturers try to go cheap (plastic) to keep costs down. AzRon
I am glad that your 795 works well for you.
My son in law has one that is a total piece of junk. That is being kind. I have a lot of experience with rifles and I have even tinkered with it to get it running right, with no luck at all. getting through a full mag without a problem is rare. Sometimes it doesn't want to feed. We tried different magazines with no luck. Sometimes it fails to extract the spent casing. This is with a clean rifle that is properly lubed. This rifle has gotten so bad, he even quit squirrel hunting with it, and has used my 10/22 when he attended an Appleseed, because he did not trust his 795. We took it to a gun smith a while back. My son in law didn't want to so I paid for it. It cost me $40 to be told there is nothing wrong with this rifle.
I hope this one is a fluke and the others work well for their owners. Personally, I will not ever purchase one myself.
I own a Marlin 795 and am very happy with it. I run only CCI Mini Mags through it and have only had one misfeed in perhaps 2000 rounds so maybe try a different brand of ammo. My brand may or may not work for you. I have done the mods that Rundownfid did except for stiffening the forend. Instead I made up some lead shot filler for the chambers under the barrel to add weight and relieve the forend around the barrel to free float it. I am considering buying a wooden stock to try on it, maybe for a model 60. Not sure if it would work at all and would definitely need to modify it if it did but it's worth a shot because the original stock is so floppy.
Panama;
Sorry to hear about our rifle, have you contacted Marlin, they should take it back and fix it? My experience, and I believe most other's, has been the opposite, that is that the 795, and the 60's, are generally accurate and reliable.
As to the fore stock, the spike fix certainly stiffens the stock, also adds weight, (the lead shot could be used to make it as heavy as desired). I wanted to make an inexpensive but very usable rifle, so I did not want to buy anything extra, like a stock. As you can see the only major expenses were the sights and to a much lesser extent magazines.
Sling and swivels are very inexpensive and would be necessary on most any rifle, even very expensive ones.
Endpoint,
You can get wood stocks for the 795 from Numrich.
http://www.e-gunparts.com/DisplayAd.asp?chrProductSKU=1137510A&chrSuperSKU=1137510&MC=&CatID=4082&mySort=1
They actually have 3 different ones at different prices
Sam
All 22 semi's are particular about what you feed them. Some more fussy than others, and that can be said for two of the same model.
If you have one that isn't fussy, cherish it. Otherwise, find out what it likes.
"Almost nothing will ruin your day at training faster than a rifle that malfunctions."
Come on, that is the point of training! (Hell, add Remington bulk ammo to the regiment for added adventure.)
Does the "great stuff" cause the buttstock to overexpand? That stuff can leave an awful mess.
A reddot doesn't really help if you have poor eyesight - most have no optics to offer correction; a low-power scope 4x or less (some say 2.5x) is sufficient to clarify your vision.
I see the 795's for $99 or $109 at Dick's all the time - I've never seen a good price for a rifle (or accessories) at Gander. (they are the last place I look.) Clearly though - the 795 is substantially cheaper than a 10/22 ($170 being the best price I find them at for the least expensive model - blue/18"/wood stock.)
On the Ruger knocks:
- Current production 10/22's have extended mag releases, and the magazine drop free.
- Nobody has ever established the 795 as more accurate than the ruger out of the box. A lot of claims, but no proof.
I'm sure the 795 is a fine rifle, especially for youths, but I'll keep my 10/22... it eats almost any ammo (and I like bargin 22 ammo), has something over 7K rounds through it, and there is an important notch in the wood stock - the one I placed in it when I first scored expert.
I do have my eye out for 70PSS though, for backpacking...)
I picked mine up; slapped on a set of tech-sights, swivles and a sling; and took it outside.
I then fired one 5 round group; made my sight-adjustments; and drilled a square with 10 rounds...
With the exception of a couple called flyers(still in the black), the group was smaller than a nickle.
I was quite pleased... I've fired Federal, Winchester, American Eagle, CCI Blazer and my personal favorite CCI Mini-Mags.
All functioned well. The Blazers, Mini-Mags and Federal all possessed the same accuracy, as well as POI.
Winchester saw groups open up and the the POI dropped 2 moa... Still about 3-4 moa groups though...
I still prefer the feel of my 10/22; but there's no denying the accuracy and precision of the 795.
The fact that my 795 LTR cost about $123 less than my 10/22 LTR doesn't hurt much...
Sugar on the top: The 795's trigger is a HOAL better than the 10/22's...
Largest drawback: Ease of dry-firing. But it can be addressed; as well as; the second drawback. The stock.
Both minor in my view as I purchased this rifle specifically as a loaner... I don't plan on putting any extra work into it.
Now, back to work. We've got a lot of info. on the Marlin allready on the forum. Just search.
In the mean-time; we've got our Nation to save. :~ :--- :~ :---
QuoteNow, back to work. We've got a lot of info. on the Marlin allready on the forum. Just search.
In the mean-time; we've got our Nation to save.
O0
As to the stock expanding from the "Great Stuff", no it didn't swell the stock, but it did make it quiet. I was actually very careful how and how much foam I added, as this could have been a real cluster...
My rifle shoots almost all full power loads OK, but won't cycle with the Aquila yellow box, a favorite of my Marlin 2000?
I have done considerable testing and most quality ammo shoots much better than I can. An exception was Winchester Wildcat, did not like, functioned but sprayed?? Federal bulk is surprisingly accurate and 100% reliable.
So far this is a remarkably good rifle, even used it on some squirrels, very satisfactory for that as well.
Quote from: SamD on December 13, 2009, 11:57:19 PM
Endpoint,
You can get wood stocks for the 795 from Numrich.
http://www.e-gunparts.com/DisplayAd.asp?chrProductSKU=1137510A&chrSuperSKU=1137510&MC=&CatID=4082&mySort=1
They actually have 3 different ones at different prices
Sam
Thanks for the tip! I'll probably pick one up in a couple weeks :)
I can't say enough about this rifle. We got ours for $99 on sale at Dicks and got a $20 mail in rebate from Marlin. This year's rebate is $25. I added a 4x scope from Walmart for $25, an extra mag for $20 and an M14 sling for $12. My 14 yr old son shot rifleman, then I used it to shoot rifleman and my 10yr old just shot a 201. I cut 2 inches off the stock for him- just behind the rear swivel. The light weight really works for him. He shot a Crickett 22 single shot prior to this and the transition went well. In three Appleseeds, we've had one or two malfunctions and we shoot the cheap copper tip Walmart stuff. I'm looking at one of the Dragunov stocks on ebay for $45 in for when my youngest can handle it.
Where are you guys getting your extra 795 mags? I'm not having a whole lot of luck finding them locally or online. Who has the best price?
It's not so much who has them the cheapest, but who even has them.
These guys have them for $15.99
http://www.gunsatcost.com/
Sportsman's Guide carries the 15 rounders, but don't know if they are reliable.
I get them locally at Big 5 and they will order them for you.
My son in law got his mags at Gander Mountain. They were about $18 a piece, but they were the only ones in the area that had them in stock.
I like 795s, and thought about getting one, but there are a couple things that I think makes them not exactly ideal for Appleseed. One is their weight. A LTR is supposed to simulate a battle rifle, and these don't feel anything like one. There is no doubt that you are holding a .22 when you are shooting it. Also, the mags... like others have said, they don't drop free, and they also stick down out of the stock so its harder to get your elbow under the rifle. Not the biggest deal in the world, but there are other rifles that don't have that issue. On the ones I've shot, I've never noticed the handguard wanting to flex, but I don't doubt it as light as the stock is. The handguard is incredibly narrow... nothing like a battle rifle. Its so tiny that when your support hand is relaxed, your fingers want to curl up over the barrel and block your sight picture.
I think the best rifle for an LTR is a Remington 597. It feels more like a real, full-sized rifle. It has mags that are flush with the stock, and generally drop free. The Marlin Tech Sights will install on a Remington, using a little longer screw for the front sight. They are almost as cheap as a Marlin, and are quite a bit cheaper than a 10/22... I've seen them in the $130 range on up to $150. The $150 ones usually come with a scope, which is OK but comes on some high rings that require you to build up the stock to get proper cheek weld. It doesn't have the tricky bolt release/mag release issues of the 10/22, which are frustrating for people who aren't used to the rifle. Plus, it doesn't use those rotary mags that you have to take apart and clean or they jam up. The Remington also has a much better factory trigger than the newer Rugers do (the old ones have great triggers).
When I built my 2 current LTRs, I bought Rugers because that's what was used at my first Appleseed and that's what most people on here used. However, I would go with 597s if I had it to do again, and they will be what I use when I buy more LTRs.
I want to build up a couple more LTR's and considered the 795 but found out you can't dry fire them like you can a 10/22. How about the Rem 597? Not really familiar with it but if it feels more like a battle rifle that is a good thing. The 10/22 is a good rifle but wouldn't say it is great. Still need to modify it's mag eject and trigger assemblies. I'd like to know more about other AS'ers experiences are with the Rem 597 and will check the board for more info.
I got the 795 magazines at Bass Pro for $20. I'm going to look into the remington for myself but the 795 works great for young kids.
Quote from: TaosGlock on January 29, 2010, 12:32:31 PM
It's not so much who has them the cheapest, but who even has them.
These guys have them for $15.99
http://www.gunsatcost.com/
Sportsman's Guide carries the 15 rounders, but don't know if they are reliable.
I get them locally at Big 5 and they will order them for you.
Those "National Magazine" 15 round mags DO NOT WORK with the 795. Not even kinda.
I have the stock from SamD's post on my 795 and it is a drop in fit, and really transforms what is already a really good rifle into a great rifle, as countless squirrels and rabbits have had the misfortune to discover. This is the best MOS (minute of squirrel) rifle I've ever owned, bar none. The 10/22 doesn't even compare in accuracy or reliability.
Now if I could just find an inexpensive, drop in, high comb stock for my Savage 93R17F, I'd be a happy Rifleman...
I bought two 795s recently, one for myself and one for my wife. Have yet to even sight them in (that should be this Sunday).
I submitted a rebate coupon for each, in separate envelopes two days apart. I received a post card from the not-so-good folks at Marlin today informing me that my entry "exceeded the maximum quantity allowed" - whatever that is supposed to mean. I submitted one coupon for one rifle - how that 'exceeds the maximum quantity allowed" should be a mystery to any rational person. I guess what I'm saying is, don't hold your breath waiting for that rebate check to arrive...
I purchased extra magazines for both rifles. The first three I ordered from Bud's Gun Shop (http://www.budsgunshop.com (http://www.budsgunshop.com)); however, they were no longer in stock when I attempted to purchase three more. The second set of three I ordered from Marlin Firearms Source (http://www.marlinfirearmssource.com/item/5984_Marlin_Magazines_Marlin_707135_Magazine.aspx (http://www.marlinfirearmssource.com/item/5984_Marlin_Magazines_Marlin_707135_Magazine.aspx)) @ $15.99 each.
By all accounts this rifle is more accurate out of the box than the Ruger 10/22; and they are not nearly as finicky about what you feed them. Mine is scoped and I've added Tech Sights to the wife's. I will admit that holding this rifle is almost like holding nothing at all - it is very lightweight. As to the issue of the magazine sticking out of the bottom, I have not yet seen a 'real battle rifle' that did not have a mag sticking out of the bottom. As to the matter of the mag not dropping free when the release is pushed, it absolutely does not - you have to fight it out of the well! On the other hand, an empty mag from the typical battle rifle weighs almost as much, empty, as this entire rifle does. I think the main thing to consider, however, is cost for quality. The 795 cost nearly 1/2 what the Ruger does, and you get a whole lot more without having to buy modifications to add on to it. In today's economy, that speaks volumes.
As I've said before, I really like mine and everyone that uses it likes it as well. My hubby is talking me into making my own wood stock. :-[ We will see how that goes. The synthetic stock is a little long for me, I can't wear my shooting jacket with it.
If you file down the mags a little, they will fall out if it's not scorching hot out.
The only thing to watch is the firing pin when dry firing. Hubby has replaced his and got an extra for mine.
That's good to know about dry-firing - thanks.
Midway has Pachmayr polymer snap caps (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=521044 (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=521044)); and I've also seen suggestions that you can just reuse empty casings for the same purpose. Certainly plenty of those lying around after an Appleseed...
Rebate terms clearly stated 1 rebate per household (per address). So in this case, Marlin is in the right. They'll probably only send you one rebate. May not send you any due to you not following the specific instructions in the rebate. I've found that where rebates are concerned, it's best to read the fine print.
Keep your powder dry!
-David
Edgewood, NM
Quote from: Another D.O.M. on January 30, 2010, 01:04:48 AM
I bought two 795s recently, one for myself and one for my wife. Have yet to even sight them in (that should be this Sunday).
I submitted a rebate coupon for each, in separate envelopes two days apart. I received a post card from the not-so-good folks at Marlin today informing me that my entry "exceeded the maximum quantity allowed" - whatever that is supposed to mean. I submitted one coupon for one rifle - how that 'exceeds the maximum quantity allowed" should be a mystery to any rational person. I guess what I'm saying is, don't hold your breath waiting for that rebate check to arrive...
I purchased extra magazines for both rifles. The first three I ordered from Bud's Gun Shop (http://www.budsgunshop.com (http://www.budsgunshop.com)); however, they were no longer in stock when I attempted to purchase three more. The second set of three I ordered from Marlin Firearms Source (http://www.marlinfirearmssource.com/item/5984_Marlin_Magazines_Marlin_707135_Magazine.aspx (http://www.marlinfirearmssource.com/item/5984_Marlin_Magazines_Marlin_707135_Magazine.aspx)) @ $15.99 each.
By all accounts this rifle is more accurate out of the box than the Ruger 10/22; and they are not nearly as finicky about what you feed them. Mine is scoped and I've added Tech Sights to the wife's. I will admit that holding this rifle is almost like holding nothing at all - it is very lightweight. As to the issue of the magazine sticking out of the bottom, I have not yet seen a 'real battle rifle' that did not have a mag sticking out of the bottom. As to the matter of the mag not dropping free when the release is pushed, it absolutely does not - you have to fight it out of the well! On the other hand, an empty mag from the typical battle rifle weighs almost as much, empty, as this entire rifle does. I think the main thing to consider, however, is cost for quality. The 795 cost nearly 1/2 what the Ruger does, and you get a whole lot more without having to buy modifications to add on to it. In today's economy, that speaks volumes.
Quote from: NMMI9100 on January 30, 2010, 06:25:54 PMRebate terms clearly stated 1 rebate per household (per address). So in this case, Marlin is in the right. They'll probably only send you one rebate. May not send you any due to you not following the specific instructions in the rebate. I've found that where rebates are concerned, it's best to read the fine print.
Keep your powder dry!
-David
Edgewood, NM
Yup - and when I went back and blew the coupon up to nearly 200% I could actually read that. Clearly my mistake. Unfortunately (at least for me) reading the fine print can be a tedious experience. Kind of like having to press '1' for my native language in my own country. I guess I'm just gettin' old and ornery...
I made the same mistake... Bought two, one for each of my kids, and sent off two rebates. I got online a few days ago to check the status, and it looked like it was only giving me credit for one, it had the other one listed as "Duplicate". :(
The way I look at it, even without a rebate the rifle is still significantly less expensive than the competition, and by many accounts superior in quality & dependability (I can't vouch for that yet). I'll get over the disappointment after a few hundred rounds, I'm sure...
And kyjam , I'd love to see your hand-made wooden stock! Post some pictures when you've finished it please...
Quote from: endpoint on December 13, 2009, 11:15:21 PM
I own a Marlin 795 and am very happy with it. I run only CCI Mini Mags through it and have only had one misfeed in perhaps 2000 rounds so maybe try a different brand of ammo. My brand may or may not work for you. I have done the mods that Rundownfid did except for stiffening the forend. Instead I made up some lead shot filler for the chambers under the barrel to add weight and relieve the forend around the barrel to free float it. I am considering buying a wooden stock to try on it, maybe for a model 60. Not sure if it would work at all and would definitely need to modify it if it did but it's worth a shot because the original stock is so floppy.
Does anyone make youth stocks/adjustable stocks for the 795?
Links?
A question for Endpoint, did you cut down a synthetic stock or a wood one?
Does anybody here know exactly what the differences are between the Marlin 795 and the Savage 64? (They look almost identical.) I have a Savage 64 (rifle I shot Rifleman with), and love it, but after about 75-100 rounds withOUT performing a quick action and barrel cleaning, it starts to misfire and not eject sometimes. Do owners of the 795 have these same problems?
QuoteA question for Endpoint, did you cut down a synthetic stock or a wood one?
I know that this is not a question to me, but the SAVAGE stock is hollow and would not be able to be cut down. Again, I don't know what the differences are between the rifles, so I don't know if the Marlin has a similar stock or not.
---GoldFish
Yeah, I kinda expected that it was hollow.
Which would bring up the next question, could it take fiberglass?
I cut down a 795 right behind the aft swivel stud and duct taped the end. It works. Also, my 795 doesn't seem to jam, ever, using the federal copper jacketed bulk ammo.
QuoteI admit to using CLP although it is my understanding that a dry lube may be better.
After an AS, I tear the rifle down and clean with '
Break Free POWDER BLAST' aerosol gun cleaner, then spray all moving parts with '
Liquid Wrench High Performance Dry Lubricant'. There's no oily residue to attract dirt and grime like some "wet" lubricants do. I use CCI Mini Mag ammo, and the rifle has performed almost flawlessly after firing about 5,000 rounds through it. :)
The majority of complaints mentioned on this and other threads are low-cost, relatively easy, DIY fixes. My biggest beef with this rifle is the trigger feel...not as smooth as I like. I'd put out a few dollars for an aftermarket metal trigger, if one ever becomes available. I also don't understand why the mags are so pricey; they aren't really anything exotic. ::)
Quote from: The Machine on April 24, 2010, 08:09:16 PMMy biggest beef with this rifle is the trigger feel...not as smooth as I like. I'd put out a few dollars for an aftermarket metal trigger, if one ever becomes available.
Rimfire Technologies has an aluminum trigger housing for the 795 (http://www.rimfiretechnologies.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=15028 (http://www.rimfiretechnologies.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=15028)) that shows promise - I haven't finished putting mine back together yet, as they omitted some spacer washers from my order that I've had to buy from another vendor.
My observations on the 795:
I have two 795s, and my father has one. We each have one scoped one, and my primary one has Tech Sights. I use Winchester Dynapoint ammo and a heavy coat of 20w 50 motor oil as lubricant. That seems to be the "magic" combination for this rifle. My 795 with Tech Sights has gone about 1,000 rounds since it's last cleaning without a single reliability problem. At this point, I'm trying to run it until it fails. The only malfunctions I've experienced with them were ammunition related.
The only serious problem (and one that I've observed pretty consistently on several 795s) is that unless epic quantities of Loctite and adequate screw tension are used, anything mounted on the receiver rail will "walk" off the back and then fall off.
I haven't done anything to the stock except add a cheek riser made of foam pipe insulation and duct tape, and I haven't done anything to the trigger either. I quite like the way the triggers on both of mine came from the factory; short predictable takeup, and then a sharp break at about 5 pounds (guestimated). I may do something to shorten the overtravel, but I'm not sure if it would really make any difference.
I bought a spare magazine guide and catch/ejector assembly and planned to customize both to allow for a "drop free" magazine release. As time went by though, the magazine guide wore in and I'm not sure it's necessary any more.
I scored Rifleman without any major modifications to that rifle.
I used to own a 10/22 that did 8" groups at 50 yards off sandbags, while I was producing dime-sized groups the same day with a Marlin 925r off the same sandbags. Needless to say, I no longer own that rifle (and have no interest in 10/22s).
The Marlin 795 that I added a scope to will place 5 rounds overlapping at 25 yards, and all shots within a 2.5" area at 100 yards when shot out of a rest.
Quote from: The Machine on April 24, 2010, 08:09:16 PM
QuoteI admit to using CLP although it is my understanding that a dry lube may be better.
After an AS, I tear the rifle down and clean with 'Break Free POWDER BLAST' aerosol gun cleaner, then spray all moving parts with 'Liquid Wrench High Performance Dry Lubricant'. There's no oily residue to attract dirt and grime like some "wet" lubricants do. I use CCI Mini Mag ammo, and the rifle has performed almost flawlessly after firing about 5,000 rounds through it. :)
The majority of complaints mentioned on this and other threads are low-cost, relatively easy, DIY fixes. My biggest beef with this rifle is the trigger feel...not as smooth as I like. I'd put out a few dollars for an aftermarket metal trigger, if one ever becomes available. I also don't understand why the mags are so pricey; they aren't really anything exotic. ::)
I use the same "Liquid Wrench Dry Lube" stuff too, on my rifles and on those of others' that jam during shoots. That stuff works wonders; it ALWAYS helps immediately with jamming problems so often experienced at Appleseeds.
I have two 795's set up as loaner rifles.. After about 200 rnd break in period, they have served their function well..reliable with a variety of ammo & accurate. One is scoped.. the other is awaiting Tech Sites... Inexpensive rifles that work.. can't ask for more for the money spent... Gonna try the mods to the stock when time allows and will report back... BeSwift
UPDATE: Did the steel rod/epoxy in the forestock modification...makes a world of difference in weight and stiffness..
Also just installed the Tech Sites...outstanding... much heavier duty than the Tech Sites on my 10/22. Finally, for those unhappy with the dovetail, try this.... https://www.rimfiretechnologies.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=15011 Easy simple solution that works if you're going to install a scope...
Quote from: TaosGlock on January 29, 2010, 12:32:31 PM
It's not so much who has them the cheapest, but who even has them.
These guys have them for $15.99
http://www.gunsatcost.com/
Sportsman's Guide carries the 15 rounders, but don't know if they are reliable.
I get them locally at Big 5 and they will order them for you.
Mags for $13.99 at http://www.cdnninvestments.com/mabopre88au2.html
I have both a 795 and 10/22.
I took the 795 out of the box and had nickle sized groups.
Got a new stock (Tapco T6) for the Ruger and had it and the 795 on the line.
The 795 easily outshot the 10/22, even though the Ruger's LOP was better due to the stock. I've made the "usual" mods to the 10/22
to bring it to the level of the 795.
The scope (old eyes :)) on the Ruger is a Centerpointe 3-9X-40. The scope on the 795, 4x 1" cheapo special that came with the rifle.
The 795 is light, but that can easily be fixed. Didn't have any problems with it flexing under pressure though.
I'm sold on the 795.
-RPD
Thanks for the heads-up RPD!
I just found this ATI stock (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=662553) for the 795 (among others) at Midway (see also http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=14007.msg116746#msg116746 (http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=14007.msg116746#msg116746))...
Quote from: Another D.O.M. on May 27, 2010, 05:21:53 PM
I just found this ATI stock (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=662553) for the 795 (among others) at Midway (see also http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=14007.msg116746#msg116746 (http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=14007.msg116746#msg116746))...
I just wrote ATI to see if they can make a 795 stock that has an adjustable lenght of pull. Otherwise, I like the Dragunov stock and will probably get one. Also, has anyone looked at drilling and tapping the top of the receiver so you can put on a better scope mount?
Quote from: dart67eb on May 29, 2010, 01:57:07 PMI just wrote ATI to see if they can make a 795 stock that has an adjustable lenght of pull. Otherwise, I like the Dragunov stock and will probably get one.
Mine will be in tomorrow - after I get a better look at it I'll post comments. Agreed that an adjustable LOP and cheek rest would be ideal (although collapsible stocks are verboten in NY and some other states).
QuoteAlso, has anyone looked at drilling and tapping the top of the receiver so you can put on a better scope mount?
It has been suggested to me that doing so and installing a Weaver rail should be done; however, I have not yet followed up on it. Anyone???
Quote from: dart67eb on May 29, 2010, 01:57:07 PM
Quote from: Another D.O.M. on May 27, 2010, 05:21:53 PM
I just found this ATI stock (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=662553) for the 795 (among others) at Midway (see also http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=14007.msg116746#msg116746 (http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=14007.msg116746#msg116746))...
I just wrote ATI to see if they can make a 795 stock that has an adjustable lenght of pull. Otherwise, I like the Dragunov stock and will probably get one. Also, has anyone looked at drilling and tapping the top of the receiver so you can put on a better scope mount?
Yesterday, I had a 45 minute conversation with Walter from ATI. Initially, he was going to tell me, "Sorry, but that's all we have.." but then I started talking to him about Appleseed and how many shoots we have and how many people come and how I LOVE the 795 and why I want an adjustable stock. He never heard about us before but now he sounds like he is sold. They will have to make tooling to do this and he will be talking to the owner about it. He is also interested in going to the Racine shoot. The owner has a 14 yr old son and I told him to take them. I told him I would look into getting them comped. Now, if we could put it all together with a FFL...
Cool - nicely done!
My ATI stock from Midway should be waiting for me when I get home today. I've also invested in the Rimfire Technologies 3/8" Picatinny Scope Base (https://www.rimfiretechnologies.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=15011) to get more adjustment for the optics.
MJA
OK folks, here's the good: This is a solidly built stock, consistent w/ ATI's reputation. It feels comfortable enough, although the protruding horizontal cheek rest will take some getting used to. The swivel studs are SOLID; the stock is ambidextrous; and tolerances seem to be tight.
Now here's the not so good: This is definitely NOT a drop-in conversion for the 795. There will be a fair amount of relief work to be done for the trigger guard assembly to seat correctly. The material allegedly works well with common woodworking tools; and I'm thinking some Dremel work w/ small router bits.
And the disappointing: The stock is supposed to ship with a longer rear trigger guard mounting screw to accommodate the additional thickness of the stock structure. It did not! So now I have to call ATI tomorrow to request the screw be sent to me (which will probably take just about long enough for me to complete the Dremel work). I'm really rather surprised, since this stock isn't an import.
Quote from: Another D.O.M. on April 24, 2010, 09:32:42 PM
Quote from: The Machine on April 24, 2010, 08:09:16 PMMy biggest beef with this rifle is the trigger feel...not as smooth as I like. I'd put out a few dollars for an aftermarket metal trigger, if one ever becomes available.
Rimfire Technologies has an aluminum trigger housing for the 795 (http://www.rimfiretechnologies.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=15028 (http://www.rimfiretechnologies.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=15028)) that shows promise - I haven't finished putting mine back together yet, as they omitted some spacer washers from my order that I've had to buy from another vendor.
I have to say for a while I thought that the aluminum trigger guards were more of a "status" symbol or more gun bling. Well after the last AS where I lent mine out I got home and found out that the trigger guard was broken toward the rear near it's screw. I've ordered an aluminum trigger guard now and am hoping it'll arrive soon...
It's a good upgrade from a longevity standpoint. I know if I was the only person using my 795 it would probably never have broken unless I went tumbling down a hill or something, but since it's used by new and old shooters alike it behooves me to go metal instead of a replacement plastic one.
Never would have known they made one if it hadn't been for this thread! O0
Quote from: Devnull on June 03, 2010, 05:23:54 PMI have to say for a while I thought that the aluminum trigger guards were more of a "status" symbol or more gun bling. Well after the last AS where I lent mine out I got home and found out that the trigger guard was broken toward the rear near it's screw. I've ordered an aluminum trigger guard now and am hoping it'll arrive soon...
It's a good upgrade from a longevity standpoint. I know if I was the only person using my 795 it would probably never have broken unless I went tumbling down a hill or something, but since it's used by new and old shooters alike it behooves me to go metal instead of a replacement plastic one.
Never would have known they made one if it hadn't been for this thread! O0
I've read somewhere that no matter how careful you are eventually the plastic guard cracks at one or both of the screw holes, just because the plastic ages and becomes brittle.
One major advantage you will find w/ the aluminum housing is that the mag release is much more accessible. With the plastic housing there is a built up triangular section between the front of the housing and the mag release button that nearly touches it. Since the aluminum housing is stronger, this built up section is unnecessary; without it there is about a 3/4" increase in the opening between the housing and the release button (meaning your finger or thumb can actually get in there to apply some much needed pressure to trip the release). Another nice thing was that mine shipped w/ a trigger over-travel adjustment screw.
As I recall, my last shipment from Rimfire Tech. took around a week to receive...
I have a few minutes to follow up on this thread...
1. The ATI stock is still waiting to be modified for the trigger guard - I've been busy running to Appleseeds and work. I'll get to it...
2. The plastic trigger guard on my wife's rifle developed a crack through the front mount hole after her third or fourth use (and after her first two day Appleseed). Clearly a design flaw that should be remedied by Marlin, IMO.
3. The factory 'rail' on top of the receiver is, quite simply, about useless. My scope rings have 'walked off' the rear of this rail three times; and no amount of torque or loctite will fix this. Upon closer inspection I've found that the 'machining' (I use this term loosely, as it's really just cast aluminum and not machined at all) is so disparate from one end to the other, and from one side to the other, that there is no flat surface for the rings to grip onto. I'm actually surprised that the rear Tech-SIGHT on my wife's rifle hasn't fallen off yet.
4. In an effort to remedy #3 above, I've invested in the previously mentioned Rimfire Technologies 3/8 picatinny rail for the rifle. Unfortunately, because of the poor quality of the factory rail groove, the aftermarket rail cannot be attached according to Rimfire's instructions. In fact, Rimfire states clearly in their instructions that 795s 3 years old or newer will probably require a gunsmith to get the rail attached. I have found that it was necessary to file some of the receiver off for the aftermarket rail to slide onto the factory rail; and then when I tighten up the locking screws they push the picatinny rail right off of the factory rail. Again, this appears to be a serious design flaw that requires some attention by Marlin, IMO.
5. To overcome both #3 & #4 above, I've resorted to J-B Welding the picatinny rail onto the receiver. I'll need to look into a set of AR iron sights if I ever remove the scope.
6. The Rimfire Technologies aluminum trigger guard was swapped into my wife's rifle to replace the cracked plastic one. Generally speaking this is an improvement - however, last weekend she experienced a problem w/ the safety that may be due to faulty tolerances in the new trigger guard. Specifically, when the rifle is lying on it's side, the safety button drops spontaneously back into the non-safe position; and it appears that the safety was actually engaging during the string of fire, causing the rifle to fail to fire. I can't say for certain this is the case as I wasn't shooting it, but it seems from her description of what she was experiencing that this is what may have happened. I'll have to pull the safety apart in that trigger guard to see if the OEM spring is too short so the detent ball isn't properly engaging. If so, I'll have to put some thought into a fix. Clearly J-B Weld won't help me here.
Well, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
MJA
Thanks for the update on the metal trigger assy. I'm going to look at modifying one of my 795's by drilling and tapping some sort of weaver mount to it. I'v also brought up the comb using foam and that works for me.
Quote from: Another D.O.M. on June 23, 2010, 12:33:33 PM4. In an effort to remedy #3 above, I've invested in the previously mentioned Rimfire Technologies 3/8 picatinny rail for the rifle. Unfortunately, because of the poor quality of the factory rail groove, the aftermarket rail cannot be attached according to Rimfire's instructions. In fact, Rimfire states clearly in their instructions that 795s 3 years old or newer will probably require a gunsmith to get the rail attached. I have found that it was necessary to file some of the receiver off for the aftermarket rail to slide onto the factory rail; and then when I tighten up the locking screws they push the picatinny rail right off of the factory rail. Again, this appears to be a serious design flaw that requires some attention by Marlin, IMO.
5. To overcome both #3 & #4 above, I've resorted to J-B Welding the picatinny rail onto the receiver. I'll need to look into a set of AR iron sights if I ever remove the scope.
The Rimfire rail is now permanently (?) bonded to the receiver, the scope (Simmons .22 MAG
®, #511072 (http://www.simmonsoptics.com/riflescopes/22_mag.cfm)) is in place, and the eye relief is now much better than I was able to achieve using the factory rail and rings.
While I was at it I dropped everything into the wooden stock I bought from Numrich (http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Detail.aspx?pid=1137510A&catid=4082). Here are a couple of pictures:
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af307/mjanspacher/Marlin%20795%20Retrofit/Fullviewrightside.jpg)
Finished rifle. Pay no attention to the shameless plug for CCI...
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af307/mjanspacher/Marlin%20795%20Retrofit/Railcloseuprightside.jpg)
Closeup of the receiver & mounted rail.
Quote6. The Rimfire Technologies aluminum trigger guard was swapped into my wife's rifle to replace the cracked plastic one. Generally speaking this is an improvement - however, last weekend she experienced a problem w/ the safety that may be due to faulty tolerances in the new trigger guard. Specifically, when the rifle is lying on it's side, the safety button drops spontaneously back into the non-safe position; and it appears that the safety was actually engaging during the string of fire, causing the rifle to fail to fire. I can't say for certain this is the case as I wasn't shooting it, but it seems from her description of what she was experiencing that this is what may have happened. I'll have to pull the safety apart in that trigger guard to see if the OEM spring is too short so the detente ball isn't properly engaging. If so, I'll have to put some thought into a fix. Clearly J-B Weld won't help me here.
This one is likely my fault. I pulled the safety apart and found that the detente pin was sticking badly, either from a lack of lubrication or from a small amount of LocTite
® seeping in, or both. I've cleaned and oiled the parts and now it seems to be working correctly. My wife is now demanding a refund of her tuition for the Sunday session; lucky for me she was a freebie.
On a side note, I have to say that I'm disappointed with the quality control (or lack of it) in the packing department of Rimfire Technologies. I've purchased two of their aluminum trigger guards so far and both have arrived with missing parts - the first was missing the spacer washers and the second was missing the trigger over-travel screw. If anyone decides to buy one of these trigger guards, be forewarned.
Now we need to get some trigger time in on these two rifles...
MJA
Here are my LTR's. Cheap scopes, nothing fancy, but they work.
I may have mentioned this before.....I solved the sliding scope mount problem on Marlins and Mossbergs with the 3/8" dovetail by liberally applying clear "kevlar" nail polish when mounting the scopes.....The bottle really says "kevlar"..
W44
W44 - I don't remember seeing that tidbit but may have missed it. Thanks a bunch for this info! I have to tell you, that's the one major issue I've run into on the 795. If you've fixed it you're my hero!
MJA
Quote from: Wheeler44 on July 12, 2010, 10:23:04 PM
I may have mentioned this before.....I solved the sliding scope mount problem on Marlins and Mossbergs with the 3/8" dovetail by liberally applying clear "kevlar" nail polish when mounting the scopes.....The bottle really says "kevlar"..
W44
I used some blue Loctite® and it has held for at least 3 Appleseeds and an IBC. I have locktite in my range box -- nail polish, not so much . . . ^-^
I spoke to Walt at ATI today and he said ATI would make a collapsible M-4 style stock if they could sell 10,000 for a MSRP of @ $100. We all know the street price would be lower. He is going to talk to sales and see if they know anybody at Marlin so we could do a package. I told him that AS would support the LTR with a free shoot certificate. Anybody have any ideas?
Perhaps a lot of us Appleseeders should contact Marlin asking them to consider making a complete LTR based on the Marlin 795.
That means:-
a) Better stock ie. ATI (if they complete it) or something wooden or stronger, less flexible plastic, heavier.
b) Better sights similar to or just Tech Sights.
c) With swivels/buckles
d) With USGI sling
e) Two extra mag's for a total of Three.
f) Metal trigger guard as the plastic one cracks.
g) Drop free mag's as currently it is quite stiff.
h) Improved scope mount.
ie. The Appleseeder LTR so you can buy it totally complete with no need to hunt around and order parts.
Regards...Martin
Quote from: dart67eb on August 10, 2010, 05:17:17 PM
I spoke to Walt at ATI today and he said ATI would make a collapsible M-4 style stock if they could sell 10,000 for a MSRP of @ $100. We all know the street price would be lower. He is going to talk to sales and see if they know anybody at Marlin so we could do a package. I told him that AS would support the LTR with a free shoot certificate. Anybody have any ideas?
Quote from: marrandy on August 10, 2010, 06:12:32 PM
Perhaps a lot of us Appleseeders should contact Marlin asking them to consider making a complete LTR based on the Marlin 795.
That means:-
a) Better stock ie. ATI (if they complete it) or something wooden or stronger, less flexible plastic, heavier.
b) Better sights similar or just Tech Sights.
c) With swivels/buckles
d) With USGI sling
ie. The Appleseeder LTR so you can buy it totally complete with no need to hunt around and order parts.
Regards...Martin
Quote from: dart67eb on August 10, 2010, 05:17:17 PM
I spoke to Walt at ATI today and he said ATI would make a collapsible M-4 style stock if they could sell 10,000 for a MSRP of @ $100. We all know the street price would be lower. He is going to talk to sales and see if they know anybody at Marlin so we could do a package. I told him that AS would support the LTR with a free shoot certificate. Anybody have any ideas?
Don't forget an extra mag.
Quote from: dart67eb on August 11, 2010, 01:22:28 PM
Don't forget an extra mag.
Good point. An extra Two mag's in case one fails. That would be a problem with the 2 & 8 with mag change on the AQT.
Also a more sturdy trigger guard. I've amended the list below.
I have spoken to a customer rep at Marlin about the 795 as a LTR. I needed a replacement spring for the safety (lost the original when I was installing the al. trigger guard). He had not heard of Appleseed and seemed genuinely interested, not just being polite. I have not followed up but I will soon. My 30 odd year old Mdl. 60 has a 22" barrel. I would like to see that on a 795 along with a beefier stock. Also would like to have the receiver drilled and tapped for a scope. That along with a set of military style sights (Tech Sights) would make an excellent LTR platform without running the price way up. I've had good luck finding factory 10 round mags at gun shows - $15.00. I stiffened the forsetock as mentioned above on both mine and my grandson's before ever shooting them. The trigger on mine needs work but grandson's is much better. Even my trigger is much better "out of the box" than any of my 10-22s. Both 795s shoot 10 rounds into a single hole you can cover with a dime at 25 m off of sand bags.
Craig
ps: Rimfire Technologies is currently out of the Al. trigger guards. They are using all of their capacity turning out parts for 10-22s. They told me they should have more around Thanksgiving.
Quote from: cswhitfield on September 20, 2010, 03:45:28 AM
ps: Rimfire Technologies is currently out of the Al. trigger guards. They are using all of their capacity turning out parts for 10-22s. They told me they should have more around Thanksgiving.
That's 'cause a 10/22 stinks without 'parts'! Anyway, I put 5 in a hole a little bigger than an eraser at 25m with mine. What's that, 1 moa?
Quote from: cswhitfield on September 20, 2010, 03:45:28 AM
ps: Rimfire Technologies is currently out of the Al. trigger guards. They are using all of their capacity turning out parts for 10-22s. They told me they should have more around Thanksgiving.
From what I have heard (YMMV), Rimfire never made the parts. They were made by a company called Diversified Innovative Products (DIP Inc.) that was in the same complex and then sold by Rimfire.
http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/marlin/82869-marlin-60-795-accessories-6.html#post1243051
They have now separated. Try here.
http://www.diproductsinc.com/Products.aspx?CAT=3603
From what I have heard (YMMV), Rimfire never made the parts. They were made by a company called Diversified Innovative Products (DIP Inc.) that was in the same complex and then sold by Rimfire.
http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/marlin/82869-marlin-60-795-accessories-6.html#post1243051
They have now separated. Try here.
http://www.diproductsinc.com/Products.aspx?CAT=3603
Thanks! Just ordered one for my Grandson's 795
Craig
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a) Better stock ie. ATI (if they complete it) or something wooden or stronger, less flexible plastic, heavier. Adjustable in length and height for different people.
b) Better sights similar to or just Tech Sights.
c) With swivels/buckles quick release.
d) With USGI sling
e) Two extra mag's for a total of Three.
f) Metal trigger guard as the plastic one cracks and better access to the mag release.
g) Drop free mag's as currently it is quite stiff.
h) Improved scope mount - A Weaver/Picatinny type to prevent forward creep.
i) Easier, more straight forward dis-assembly for cleaning.
j) Better trigger. Improved weight and less creep and clean break. I can't even feel/hear the reset on mine.
Anything else people would like to see improved ?
As no one has added to the list below. I might as well add.
If you really want anything to change, then you need to contact Marlin. Nothing will change if no one actually does anything about it.
Talk about Appleseed. Provide the web address. Maybe even a link to this forum thread.
All I have is their snail mail address from the web site.
Send Mail to:
Marlin Firearms
P.O. Box 1871
Madison, NC 27025
Remember, Appleseed wouldn't have happened if 'Fred' and some of his buddies just shot the breeze and didn't actually do anything.
Considering the extra money I have spent on upgrades, the postage, the hours research, talking on these threads, even at a liberal $15/hour is equivalent to at least 10 times the rifle cost. Multiple that by 1000 people and that's a lot of extra parts, a lot of wasted shipping costs, a ton of wasted manhours.
If you want to see a 'Appleseed ready' Marlin out of the box, even if it costs double, then write or call Marlin. Be specific on what is needed (see below). Add or delete what you personally think is right and let Marlin do THEIR job with market evaluation and figures. They are a business, and that's what they do as part of their business.
I bought a second hand 795 a couple months ago when I started AS. I really like it but when I put the Tech-Sights on I had the same problem with the dovetail being canted. I also went to Dicks and Academy Sports to look at the 795s that they had and every one was canted. There was one blued at Dicks and a blues and stainless at Academy; all canted. What is the problem here?
I've sent mine back to Marlin and they've had it for 5 days and no word. I'll call them in the morning. It looks like this is a continuing problem that they have not fixed.
How much does adding the rail bring the Tech sights up?
Thanks!
See the below letter that just went out in the mail to Marlin. I included an Appleseed brocheure. I'll post any response I get.
October 26, 2010
Marlin Firearms
Customer Service / Research & Development
P.O. Box 1871
Madison, NC 27025
Re: Marlin 795 LTR for Appleseed
Sir or Madam:
The Appleseed Project (appleseedinfo.org) is a non-profit organization dedicated to teaching traditional marksmanship skills along with the heritage and history of our Nation. The marksmanship skills and techniques we teach are the same as taught by the Marine Corps when I went through boot camp in 1970. Most of our instruction is done at 25 meters on "D" silhouettes from the Army Qualification Test reduced in size and contrast to simulate ranges of 100, 200, 300 and 400 yards. Although center fire rifles are welcome and used the most popular firearms are semiautomatic .22s. Most popular among the .22s are the Ruger 10-22 and the Marlin 795. I own both and neither comes out of the box ideal for an Appleseed. I prefer the Marlin for several reasons, primarily it takes and costs less to make it adequate for an Appleseed LTR (Liberty Training Rifle). Out of the box it is hands down more accurate than the 10-22. The draw backs are it is too light, the sights are woefully inadequate, the stock is rather puny and the trigger pull is long and creepy. The modifications I have made to both mine and my grandson's 795s are: I stiffened the fore stock by epoxying a steel rod in the channel under the barrel, this also adds some needed weight; I replaced the plastic trigger guard with a machined al. trigger guard and trigger from Diversified Innovative Products (diproductsinc.com). I also added a scope due to my eyesight. While not the "perfect" LTR I am able to consistently score above expert on our AQT course of fire with it.
I am sure you receive an endless supply of suggestions and requests for various firearm designs. However if you will consider a few modifications/upgrades to your basic 795 there is a waiting market for it. I personally have already been responsible for at least five (5) 795s leaving store shelves headed to an Appleseed. For my preference just make it look and feel like a 85% scale version of the M14 and you are there. That would also appeal to a substantial market outside of Appleseed I am sure.
For a more precise list of modifications/upgrades:
• 20 - 22 inch barrel (my 1970s vintage Mdl. 60 has a 22" barrel that appears would be an easy replacement on my Mdl. 795. Something I am considering.
• Full size, beefier stock with a higher comb (or adjustable cheek piece)
• Aluminum trigger guard and trigger similar to the D.I.P.
• Longer more substantial magazine release (we perform mag changes during the course of fire)
• Drill and tap receiver for scope/sight mounting
• M1/M14 style sights. Tech-Sights (tech-sights.com) makes M16 style sights for a number of rifles including the 795. These would be ok but the M14 style sights preferred. We sometimes fire .22s out to 100 yds. Ease of sight adjustment is a big plus
• Better trigger with less slack, creep and over travel. The D.I.P. trigger actually has two set screws to eliminate a lot of the slack and over travel.
• Accessories could/should include four (4) magazines and military style loop sling (M1/M14 sling).
With the above you would have an "out of the box" LTR seemingly at a lower cost than the bottom of the line current "WalMart" Ruger 10-22. Please visit the Appleseed Project website. While there click on the RWVA Links and check out the forum. You will find that there is substantial interest in a factory LTR. I hope you will decide to make it a Marlin.
Thank you for your consideration.
Craig S. Whitfield
1446 Conley Road
Conley, GA 30288
cswhitfield@yahoo.com
PS: By the way there are Appleseed shoots scheduled for November 13&14 in both Waco and Toccoa Georgia. Come join us and see for yourself.
I have done something to my 795 stock that I don't think has been mentioned yet.
I noticed the flexibility of the stock, and it possibly affecting POI when I sling up tight. So I just used a utility blade and cut around the barrel channel, effectively free floating the barrel. Excessively free floating. I ended up with a fairly large gap, maybe 3/16" in between the barrel and the stock, allowing for flex without touching the barrel. My 795 has performed flawlessly like this. :---
I would definitely recommend doing something to the stock. Either stiffening it, or free floating it like I did. I just found it easier to cut out stock material than find a rod and epoxy it. You probably get similar results with either method.
I did pretty much the same thing with a half-round file.
Quote from: BP on November 05, 2010, 03:27:47 AM
I have done something to my 795 stock that I don't think has been mentioned yet.
I noticed the flexibility of the stock, and it possibly affecting POI when I sling up tight. So I just used a utility blade and cut around the barrel channel, effectively free floating the barrel. Excessively free floating. I ended up with a fairly large gap, maybe 3/16" in between the barrel and the stock, allowing for flex without touching the barrel. My 795 has performed flawlessly like this. :---
I would definitely recommend doing something to the stock. Either stiffening it, or free floating it like I did. I just found it easier to cut out stock material than find a rod and epoxy it. You probably get similar results with either method.
I myself have had NOTHING but luck with my 795! (first rifle)
I shot Rifleman with it about 3 weeks ago. I have found that the Mags need to be broken in sometimes, I took my mags and loaded/unloaded each one about 10 times. Went to the range a few days later and had NO fail to feeds, I have also noticed that if the chamber is lubricated, and you have a spent/unspent round in the chamber to remove. You must pull the bolt back quickly for the bolt to grab it, don't pull it back slowly. (Obviously this is only neccesary if you're in the middle of a mag because the bolt always stays open on the last shot.) So far my Dad and I are in it about $200.00 and it would have cost more than that for just a Ruger with no accessories! I HIGHLY RECOMMEND MARLIN 795's AND ANY MARLIN PRODUCTS!
-Blake
I hope that everyone had a great Thanksgiving yesterday!
Well... on my way to putting together a Marlin 795 for a "loaner" gun. I ventured out on Black Friday to my local Sports Authority where after the rebate the rifle will be about $95 + tax. However, I got there early enough to get one of the scratch off coupons, and snagged one for an additional $25 ;D discount (if I had been lucky enough to the $500 coupon my wife would have hated me cause I would have come home with multiple rifles!). So for around $70+ taxes I'll have loaner here after CBI opens and they run my background check.
I also sent an email to Boyd's to see if there is any chance of them making their TactiCool stock for this rifle in the future. I mentioned AS directly as well as including the URL for them, and hope that this might give them a little push to make this good gun even better. I have 3 of their stocks already, but they really don't offer much for the Marlin line of .22's... maybe the idea of being able to sell few might help our efforts to keep the LTR's affordable.
I have shot both 10/22's as well as Marlins, and have to say that my Marlin 60 is probably the most accurate .22 in my collection, so getting a magazine fed version will be a wonder addition to my safe, and for use on the trail.
--JF
I had the opportunity to shoot the Marlin Pappoose , a few months back. As I recall the bbl was attached via a threaded nut , which loosened frequently .
Seems the best group (bench) was 12 minutes.
Is anyone familiar with this backback type rifle?
JA
Quote from: Johnnyappleseed on December 12, 2010, 11:49:27 PM
I had the opportunity to shoot the Marlin Pappoose , a few months back. As I recall the bbl was attached via a threaded nut , which loosened frequently .
Seems the best group (bench) was 12 minutes.
Is anyone familiar with this backback type rifle?
JA
I saw Jimi in NM with one a couple months ago. Give him a shout.
Thanx JJ
The best source I can think of is an RWVA Rifleman O0
JA
Quote from: Johnnyappleseed on December 13, 2010, 01:27:09 AM
Thanx JJ
The best source I can think of is an RWVA Rifleman O0
JA
You're welcome. I only remember because when I saw it I said "ooooh I want one."
Quote from: marrandy on September 30, 2010, 01:07:16 PM
a) Better stock ie. ATI (if they complete it) or something wooden or stronger, less flexible plastic, heavier. Adjustable in length and height for different people.
Figure about $100 for this.
Quoteb) Better sights similar to or just Tech Sights.
Add $60
Quotec) With swivels/buckles quick release.
While it comes with studs, add $10
Quoted) With USGI sling
Add $15
Quotee) Two extra mag's for a total of Three.
Add $61
Quotef) Metal trigger guard as the plastic one cracks and better access to the mag release.
Add $45
Quoteg) Drop free mag's as currently it is quite stiff.
Add $20
Quoteh) Improved scope mount - A Weaver/Picatinny type to prevent forward creep.
Add $25
Quotei) Easier, more straight forward dis-assembly for cleaning.
Marlin would have to redesign the rifle - never going to happen.
Quotej) Better trigger. Improved weight and less creep and clean break. I can't even feel/hear the reset on mine.
You can improve the trigger weight with some gunsmithing, but there is no way to remove the creepy take-up, it is inherent to the design of the trigger group.
So all in all, the changes you are looking for will make the rifle's cost increase by somewhere in the range of $336.00, to a total of $435.00. That's more than I charge for a Ruger 10-22 LTR ready to go, with all the bells and whistles.
Douglas G. Cowan
Quote from: douglas34474 on December 15, 2010, 01:16:29 AM
Quote from: marrandy on September 30, 2010, 01:07:16 PM
a) Better stock ie. ATI (if they complete it) or something wooden or stronger, less flexible plastic, heavier. Adjustable in length and height for different people.
Figure about $100 for this.
Quoteb) Better sights similar to or just Tech Sights.
Add $60
Quotec) With swivels/buckles quick release.
While it comes with studs, add $10
Quoted) With USGI sling
Add $15
Quotee) Two extra mag's for a total of Three.
Add $61
Quotef) Metal trigger guard as the plastic one cracks and better access to the mag release.
Add $45
Quoteg) Drop free mag's as currently it is quite stiff.
Add $20
Quoteh) Improved scope mount - A Weaver/Picatinny type to prevent forward creep.
Add $25
Quotei) Easier, more straight forward dis-assembly for cleaning.
Marlin would have to redesign the rifle - never going to happen.
Quotej) Better trigger. Improved weight and less creep and clean break. I can't even feel/hear the reset on mine.
You can improve the trigger weight with some gunsmithing, but there is no way to remove the creepy take-up, it is inherent to the design of the trigger group.
So all in all, the changes you are looking for will make the rifle's cost increase by somewhere in the range of $336.00, to a total of $435.00. That's more than I charge for a Ruger 10-22 LTR ready to go, with all the bells and whistles.
Douglas G. Cowan
I didn't need to do squat to the 795's I bought to shoot Rifleman with them other than add the optics and sling.
$16 sling and swivel set
$45 Scope
$140 Rifle
$201 total
Shoot, i did even less thatn that.
Bought three spare mags, at 15 bucks a mag + 8 bucks for shipping= $53
USGI sling and mounts was about 20 all together.
30$ BSA .22 Special variable scope (was on sale)
Rifle cost 100$ after rebate.
I have found little need to do much tweaking. I did a very little bit of work to the trigger to make it a little lighter. I have no problems with my mags. Sure they dont drop free ar-15 style, but because they protrude and Im used to guns WITHOUT drop free mags, this isnt a really big deal at all. Adapt yourself to your circumstance.
So, still under 210$ for a nice little rifle I've used to qual rifleman with on more than one occasion. Im not knocking the ruger 10-22 at all. If thats what some one wants than so be it, but I've got an amazing rifle that does everything I need it to do with the bells and whistles.
My next .22 I plan on getting a ruger, simply because of the vast amount of aftermarket stuff out there for it. Its fun for tinkering. I bought my marlin because at the time, I had no desire to tinker with it, and I still dont.
Keep things in perspective.
It ain't about gadgets, bells, whistles, tacticool or pretty stuff.
You CANNOT buy success, you have to get down on yer belly and earn it.
Six steps and one round at a time.
I ain't saying you shouldn't have any fancy rifles, I sure got a bunch of them and I love 'em all, but that don't matter here at Appleseed.
When all is said and done, you need to be able to do that Rifleman performance with that old SMLE you found in your in laws attic, at 2 AM with no sleep, in the mud. That come from hard work, not the cover of a magazine
Quote from: SamD on December 15, 2010, 10:17:03 AM
Keep things in perspective.
It ain't about gadgets, bells, whistles, tacticool or pretty stuff.
I agree completely. I was pointing out that making the changes on the 'wish list' will increase the cost of the rifle. What is the old saying about making a silk purse of a sows ear.
I got my ATI Dragunov stock in the mail yesterday. I'm going to tart up one of my 795's. With the stock, I'll still be under $200. Also, building up the hammer with JB weld helps with the trigger take-up and a $.25 allen screw helps with overtravel. With a little sanding and filing the mag drops free on my short one but I still need to do a little more on the long one. I'll take care of that when I tart it up. The only problem I have with the rifle that I can't fix for under $10 is the design of the mag release button. Other than that, hand tools and a drill press will make the rifle rock.
Quote from: SamD on December 15, 2010, 10:17:03 AM
Keep things in perspective.
It ain't about gadgets, bells, whistles, tacticool or pretty stuff.
You CANNOT buy success, you have to get down on yer belly and earn it.
Six steps and one round at a time.
I ain't saying you shouldn't have any fancy rifles, I sure got a bunch of them and I love 'em all, but that don't matter here at Appleseed.
When all is said and done, you need to be able to do that Rifleman performance with that old SMLE you found in your in laws attic, at 2 AM with no sleep, in the mud. That come from hard work, not the cover of a magazine
I was going to post something along these lines last night, but got too tired.
THANK YOU!
Ive been noticing at a lot of appleseeds, and even on the forum, that return appleseeders, rifleman and cook alike, are trying to more or less "Game" the system to get the rifleman score. What I mean is, they are trying to do add all the bells and whisltes as you say in order to pump their score up. And while thats ok, it also defeats the purpose of the shoot and the spirit a bit, IMO.
THe intent was to teach every man, woman and child to pick up any service grade rifle and make a hit at 500 yards. It wasnt to teach them to take any service grade rifle, add 500$ of optics, premium handloads, jeweled actions, and feather weight triggers so they could score a 210 or better.
We should never forget, as one very wise shoot boss explained to us at an event, that the course of fire was designed around bolt action, interal magazine fed rifles over 100 years ago with rifle and ammo made by the lowest bidder.
Ask the 132 german prisoners that Sgt Alvin York took with his Springfield '03 bolt action rifle if drop free mags were what won the battle :---
We added a 795 to the family rifle stable. It came with a scope! Nothing was on the box to suggest it was there when we bought it. It made its first Appleseed appearance in early December. Youngest daughter with approximately 500 previous trigger pulls to her name managed a 201 and suddenly became dedicated to earning her patch and 7th stepping. It was a good purchase. In our stable it may be the most accurate semi-auto.
Quote from: dart67eb on December 15, 2010, 12:19:19 PM
I got my ATI Dragunov stock in the mail yesterday. I'm going to tart up one of my 795's. With the stock, I'll still be under $200. Also, building up the hammer with JB weld helps with the trigger take-up and a $.25 allen screw helps with overtravel. With a little sanding and filing the mag drops free on my short one but I still need to do a little more on the long one. I'll take care of that when I tart it up. The only problem I have with the rifle that I can't fix for under $10 is the design of the mag release button. Other than that, hand tools and a drill press will make the rifle rock.
It took some MAJOR carving up to get this to work. The trigger guard assy on the 795 is much longer than the model 60 and the stock had to be carved to fit. The innards on the 795 are also wider than the model 60 due to the bar that keeps you from firing when there is no magazine. It took about 3 hrs with a drill press, forstner bit, grinding bit and some hand files to get it to fit. Even then, it's not 100% pretty. A milling machine would have been better. Also, you can not get the front handguard on with low rings and a scope on it. You have to take the scope off and then reinstall it. I'm going to have a word with Walter at ATI about this.
SamD your post regarding the standard mill spec rifle is right on O0
Still even Henry's uncle Max ,could not resist modifying his M1 Garand ,before making a super shot from a bell tower on a German General during WW2 ::)
JA
If Mr. Ross had consulted with me, I would have told him to tweak that part a bit ;D.
My nephew (the one with the ego that won't let him come to an Appleseed) socializes and shoots with him ocassionally, maybe we can get it changed in the next printing O0
The 795 with the ATI stock (and now free dropping mags)
Registered a "0" on the wife-block meter for one. ^-^
Does that mean you get to buy one?
Quote from: Piker on February 14, 2011, 10:56:51 PM
Registered a "0" on the wife-block meter for one. ^-^
"0" block = Buy :D
10 block = not hap'nen
Seen CS shoot an AQT with his, and his grin. That 795 is a rifle.
And at 100 WFRN's at Gander Mtn with sling studs already attached, why not!!?
Ive been noticing at a lot of appleseeds, and even on the forum, that return appleseeders, rifleman and cook alike, are trying to more or less "Game" the system to get the rifleman score. What I mean is, they are trying to do add all the bells and whisltes as you say in order to pump their score up. And while thats ok, it also defeats the purpose of the shoot and the spirit a bit, IMO.
I've read that colonists would hand select their cast lead round-ball and recast ones that were out of round or had voids that made them wobbly. Can't hunt for the table with a musket and wobbly ammo.
The spin a rifle gives a projectile equalizes the imperfections in the construction and allows it to fly true. If smoothbore ammo is painstakingly selected, it can vastly increase the range of said smokepole.
If Hezekiah Wyman did this with his ammo was he "Gaming"? If some Militia at the North Bridge used hand selected ammo were they "Gaming"?
If Mr. Wyman or any Minuteman had their frizen rehardened to make more spark and yeild a lower misfire rate, if they had the V spring replaced in their lock, if they had the pan reshaped to better allow the main charge to ignite, if they kept the flash hole polished and free of corrosion, if they had the local locksmith work on their trigger, where they, "Gaming"? If they practiced a lot, bet they knew to render their waters down the barrel to remove fouling, this might smell gamey, but was it "Gaming"?
Was it "Gaming" if a colonist knapped an Agate instead of a Flint for his flintlock? Agate gave better ignition and held it's edge much longer, but cost a bit more. Not unlike getting a bolt jewled, radiused, head space corrected, the extractor tuned, and the firing pin profiled and pinned.
If I remember right, the misfire rate on a Bess or a Charleville was 30-40 percent. Was it "Gaming" if a militiaman made a few improvements to his dad's old British or French musket to make it more reliable?
Was it "Gaming" to actually look at your intended target? Or was it better to do as the regular Brit forces and turn your head after leveling your musket?
Rendered their waters? Were they shooting Mosins?
Urine is great for removing black powder fouling, gross but true. $$-0 I don't own a replica Bess or Charleville, but I do have an 1853 3-Band Enfield.
Anyway, Stainless 795 or basic Blued?
Basic blued model, add a little weight and stiffness to the forestock, sling, sights or scope and you are good to go. Sometime in the future replace the factory trigger guard with an aluminum one. Great rifle at a great price. I can run up to +/- 600 rounds of mini mags through mine before cleaning is required though I usually clean sooner. I have not had a problem running through a complete Appleseed without cleaning.
My .02 Worth,
csw
Quote from: Piker on February 17, 2011, 12:40:50 PM
Urine is great for removing black powder fouling, gross but true. $$-0 I don't own a replica Bess or Charleville, but I do have an 1853 3-Band Enfield.
Anyway, Stainless 795 or basic Blued?
It works to neutralize corrosive ammo, too.
Mmmmm, I love the smell of Ammonia in the morning, its that smell, that tom-cat smell, smells like.... Victory.
Anyway, my City Boy buddy really wants a 10/22 and I might make one for him yet, but for the price of a 10/22 reciever alone, I can get him started with a Marlin 795 and my spare sling.
Quote from: Piker on February 17, 2011, 03:00:08 PM
Anyway, my City Boy buddy really wants a 10/22 and I might make one for him yet, but for the price of a 10/22 reciever alone, I can get him started with a Marlin 795 and my spare sling.
Piker if your friend is dead set on a 10-22 he may never be happy with something else. You know my opinion on the the 795 vs the 10-22. I own and shoot both and like both. For a new shooter the 795 is simpler to operate for an AQT (last shot hold open, bolt release, etc.). I am sort of the old opinion that if you don't like the way it looks and feels you probably won't do your best with it. But then again we teach any rack grade rifle with surplus ammo.
All of that said, below is my comparison Target of the two rifles. I am not trying to start a which is best argument and please note that either rifle is more accurate than the average shooter can shoot.
The rifles:
Ruger 10-22: S.S., Synthetic stock, unmodified factory trigger, Nikon 2-7 X 32 scope, purchased '99
Marlin 795: Blued w/ synthetic stock, unmodified trigger, Nikon 2-7X32 scope, purchased July '10
Both rifles were thoroughly cleaned and scopes installed (replaced an old Tasco scope on the 10-22)
After 10 "fouling rounds" both rifles/scopes were zeroed at 25m from a bench with sand bags.
After zeroing, both rifles were fired from the bench at 1" orange dots on a piece of graph paper starting at the left and proceeding to the right. Marlin shot at the top left, Ruger fired at the bottom left Marlin at the top center, Ruger at the bottom center and so forth. All targets are 10 shots each.
Both rifles are "stock" from the factory (this is my best shooting Ruger out of the three I own). Ammo was CCI MiniMags. Prior to this the Marlin had +/- 50 rounds through it. I really don't know how many rounds had been fire through the Ruger prior to this but I feel very safe in estimating well short of 1,000.
I told him what you said about the Marlin being capable of dime size groups vs the 10/22's quarter size groups, about how the mags stick out a little so you can get your hands on them if they don't drop, how it is lighter so that he can eventually teach his daughter and son to shoot with it. I also think Que from RimfireCentral can work on the the bolts for the 795. Also told him about the bolt hold open feature on the Marlin.
He's convinced and Gander Mtn in Huntsville, AL has one left in stock, with my name on it. Going to a Pi Kappa Alpha (Pike) Alumni Advisory Board meeting there this weekend. May shoot it at Blue and Gray on Sunday!
I mean a barrel alone for a custom 10/22 can cost twice what a Marlin does. He is currently looking for a job, this gets him a rifle for now that we both can afford. He'll pay me back when he gets a job.
Told him flat out, I will eventually make you a 10 22, and/or you can buy one later, but for the price right now, you are getting a Marlin. Will teach him what I can, practice for myself for Appleseed students on him, and when he is close take him to an AS.
My Marlin mags drop free after a little filing/sandpapering of the magwell. I also did the JB weld, etc from the rimfire central board and I shoot 5 in a pencil eraser hole at 25 from a bench supported with Walmart Fredeal bulk. See my other posts on this thread.
I have done some sanding to my magwell and the mags are flowing a little easier but my real problem is the price of the mags. I want to get a few more but at midway they are going for $26.99. I could understand if they were fancy aftermarket but they're just simple little mags. I really like this rifle, it has been accurate right from the beginning, and reliable. Also you can't beat the price. I replaced the trigger guard and installed the tech sights, which are awesome, but I need to do something about the stock. It feels like a child's rifle with the little stock. The other thing that I would love to see is some kind of enhanced mag release. With the replacement trigger guard there is a little open space between the guard and the mag and I could see having the mag release lever extended.
I was advised to get my Marlin 795 mags from CDN here on the forum, much less expensive than Midway.
John
sorry, it was CDNN and I don't see them on the website now.
John
went to cdnn and searched on marlin 795, comes up w/ mags
here's the link
10 round
http://www.cdnninvestments.com/mabopre88au2.html
and to easily distinguish mags in "prep 2 & 8" drills
7 round
http://www.cdnninvestments.com/mapo96227rds.html
Just did a little research and found out that shooter's ridge is making a 25 round mag for the marlin 795. I don't think it's out yet but it should be soon.
http://www.shootersridge.com/products/accessories/magazines/marlin_mag25rd.aspx
Got a spare mag when I got the rifle at Gander Mtn, only $19.95. Buddy likes it, and with some decent sights or a scope, he will shoot well with it. Looks like Nurmrich sells a laminated wood stock for these too.
The only 3/8 dovetail scope rings I've found were at Brownells and they cost more than the fixed 4x scope.
Any tips for getting a big man into the sitting position? I'm not small, but was able to find a workable postition for myself, but he's got issues. PM with advice on that if you can.
Quote from: Piker on March 02, 2011, 09:36:00 AM
Got a spare mag when I got the rifle at Gander Mtn, only $19.95. Buddy likes it, and with some decent sights or a scope, he will shoot well with it. Looks like Nurmrich sells a laminated wood stock for these too.
The only 3/8 dovetail scope rings I've found were at Brownells and they cost more than the fixed 4x scope.
Any tips for getting a big man into the sitting position? I'm not small, but was able to find a workable postition for myself, but he's got issues. PM with advice on that if you can.
Not to go OT:
Open legged works best for me. I've got a good sized mid-sectioned, multi-directional pivoting device (fat gut), big legs and bad knees and sitting open legged with my heels firmly dug in and knees up is what seems to work for most of us with this same dimension.
(This is not me, just random internet picture to illustrate)
(http://www.shootingvoodoo.com/files/4912/6075/3839/Sitting%20Sling%203.jpg)
Quote from: Piker on March 02, 2011, 09:36:00 AM
Got a spare mag when I got the rifle at Gander Mtn, only $19.95. Buddy likes it, and with some decent sights or a scope, he will shoot well with it. Looks like Nurmrich sells a laminated wood stock for these too.
The only 3/8 dovetail scope rings I've found were at Brownells and they cost more than the fixed 4x scope.
Check Dick's or Wally World for scope mount/rings. They have .22/airgun rings for under $12.00. They work fine. Either Cheaper than Dirt or Sportsmans Guide (don't remember which) has Marlin mags for $15.00.
edit:
nvm-repost.
Go to Pyramid Air and get the ones on sale that have dual side screws and a vertical set screw. @$10.
Quote from: cswhitfield on March 07, 2011, 07:52:50 AM
Quote from: Piker on March 02, 2011, 09:36:00 AM
Got a spare mag when I got the rifle at Gander Mtn, only $19.95. Buddy likes it, and with some decent sights or a scope, he will shoot well with it. Looks like Nurmrich sells a laminated wood stock for these too.
The only 3/8 dovetail scope rings I've found were at Brownells and they cost more than the fixed 4x scope.
Check Dick's or Wally World for scope mount/rings. They have .22/airgun rings for under $12.00. They work fine. Either Cheaper than Dirt or Sportsmans Guide (don't remember which) has Marlin mags for $15.00.
Pyramid sells thru Amazon: Got Hackett's books on Revere and the Crossing of the Delaware as well. :--- ..:..
Quote from: dart67eb on March 08, 2011, 07:18:11 PM
Go to Pyramid Air and get the ones on sale that have dual side screws and a vertical set screw. @$10.
Quote from: cswhitfield on March 07, 2011, 07:52:50 AM
Quote from: Piker on March 02, 2011, 09:36:00 AM
Got a spare mag when I got the rifle at Gander Mtn, only $19.95. Buddy likes it, and with some decent sights or a scope, he will shoot well with it. Looks like Nurmrich sells a laminated wood stock for these too.
The only 3/8 dovetail scope rings I've found were at Brownells and they cost more than the fixed 4x scope.
Check Dick's or Wally World for scope mount/rings. They have .22/airgun rings for under $12.00. They work fine. Either Cheaper than Dirt or Sportsmans Guide (don't remember which) has Marlin mags for $15.00.
I have a 10 year old Williams Deluxe Target FP rear aperture sight that I pulled off a .22 bolt target rifle due to accuracy problems - at least it wasn't accurate enough for sub MOA smallbore purposes - I'd like to refurbish and mount it on a Marlin 60 or 795 LTR. The accuracy problem is that there is a little play in the horizontal "stage" that the aperture screws into, a couple degrees of rotational play around the axis of the horizontal adjustment screw, which wouldn't be noticeable if the aperture were located directly above the axis of that screw, because then it would only move forward/backward with very little vertical motion; but the target aperture I have for it cantilevers the aperture about a half inch behind the screw, resulting in a couple MOA worth of random vertical play in the sight. I checked their online catalog, where it looks like all their apertures are made that way - but they do mention that it is a standard thread that is the same as everybody's apertures.
1. Does anybody make a screw-in aperture where the necked-down "aperture" part is recessed into the threaded end, where it would be located above the horizontal adjustment screw on my sight?
2. If not, and I have to make one, what is the "standard aperture thread?" It looks like 40 pitch, with a .216 OD - 7/32-40?
3. So I can start designing the receiver adapter, what is the width of a Marlin 60/795 receiver? (I don't have one yet - still looking for a good deal on a used one.)
Quote from: azmule on March 11, 2011, 07:09:31 PM
3. So I can start designing the receiver adapter, what is the width of a Marlin 60/795 receiver? (I don't have one yet - still looking for a good deal on a used one.)
The dovetailed portion of the 795 is 1/2" edge to edge. If you need the actual receiver width, and not the dovetail width, give me a shout and I'll break out the tape again.
This sight attaches to the left side of the receiver - or rather to a kinimatic rail adapter that I'll need to make that will stay on the left side of the receiver.
Picture at http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=williams+deluxe+target+fp&view=detail&id=AC0339A0A761DD54AD5AF02A3C1F95AC9A8E3ABA&first=1&FORM=IDFRIR (http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=williams+deluxe+target+fp&view=detail&id=AC0339A0A761DD54AD5AF02A3C1F95AC9A8E3ABA&first=1&FORM=IDFRIR)
I already know I'll need to cut away some stock on that side to expose the flat side of the receiver. So I need the receiver width first to find out if the range of adjustment on this thing will even get me there.
Quote from: JustJeff on March 11, 2011, 07:40:03 PM
The dovetailed portion of the 795 is 1/2" edge to edge. If you need the actual receiver width, and not the dovetail width, give me a shout and I'll break out the tape again.
Quote from: azmule on March 11, 2011, 08:00:44 PM
This sight attaches to the left side of the receiver - or rather to a kinimatic rail adapter that I'll need to make that will stay on the left side of the receiver.
Picture at http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=williams+deluxe+target+fp&view=detail&id=AC0339A0A761DD54AD5AF02A3C1F95AC9A8E3ABA&first=1&FORM=IDFRIR (http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=williams+deluxe+target+fp&view=detail&id=AC0339A0A761DD54AD5AF02A3C1F95AC9A8E3ABA&first=1&FORM=IDFRIR)
I already know I'll need to cut away some stock on that side to expose the flat side of the receiver. So I need the receiver width first to find out if the range of adjustment on this thing will even get me there.
From the bottom of the receiver to the top of the dovetail is 1". The flat surface is 7/8". You have about 4" from front to back to mount it. (measurements with receiver out of stock, using standard tape measure)
Thanks! How about side-to-side width?
Quote from: azmule on March 11, 2011, 08:12:28 PM
Thanks! How about side-to-side width?
it's right at 1" from the left (smooth) side to the right (ejection port) side of the receiver.
Hmmm- do-able, but non-optimum. That would put the sight almost all the way to the right of its range of adjustment to get it on the center of the bore. I was afraid of that.
On a related note, I found some serious 795-cool while searching for dimensional info - check out the rifle in post number 8 at http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/marlin/82869-marlin-60-795-accessories.html (http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/marlin/82869-marlin-60-795-accessories.html)
How about that baby for an Appleseed LTR?
Quote from: azmule on March 11, 2011, 08:50:18 PM
Hmmm- do-able, but non-optimum. That would put the sight almost all the way to the right of its range of adjustment to get it on the center of the bore. I was afraid of that.
On a related note, I found some serious 795-cool while searching for dimensional info - check out the rifle in post number 8 at http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/marlin/82869-marlin-60-795-accessories.html (http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/marlin/82869-marlin-60-795-accessories.html)
How about that baby for an Appleseed LTR?
That
would be a very nice stock to put your 795 or 60 in..... I agree with the poster... the tube on the 60 would look similar to the 'ramrod' and complete the look.
As we 795 users know, one of the biggest faults with the rifle is that cracks will develop around the plastic trigger guard screw holes. You can always upgrade to the metal one for @ $60. I didn't want to spend that on mine so I called Marlin and told them about my problem. They said they will send me a new trigger guard. Free.
Quote from: dart67eb on January 23, 2012, 01:04:00 PM
As we 795 users know, one of the biggest faults with the rifle is that cracks will develop around the plastic trigger guard screw holes. You can always upgrade to the metal one for @ $60. I didn't want to spend that on mine so I called Marlin and told them about my problem. They said they will send me a new trigger guard. Free.
Did you call corporate or one of the field service centers?
UL
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Quote from: unbridled_liberty on January 23, 2012, 06:04:27 PM
Quote from: dart67eb on January 23, 2012, 01:04:00 PM
As we 795 users know, one of the biggest faults with the rifle is that cracks will develop around the plastic trigger guard screw holes. You can always upgrade to the metal one for @ $60. I didn't want to spend that on mine so I called Marlin and told them about my problem. They said they will send me a new trigger guard. Free.
Did you call corporate or one of the field service centers?
UL
Well,I broke it! My 20+ Appleseed 795 purchased in '09 suddenly failed to fire. Click but no bang and no strike. Disassembled and the firing pin broke clean just forward of the pin that holds it in. I guess it must have work hardened after 10K + rounds. Called Marlin and they're sending me another for free.
I've gone thru 2 firing pins on my two 795 loaners, in about 15 classes. I was told NOT to dry fire the Marlins, and haven't had any problems since. I now keep a few extra firing pins and recoil springs (a have tendency to bend them on reassembly), so I can keep the rifles running... Even with these flaws, my 795's have created more Rifleman than my 10/22's... BeSwift
I really like the marlin with the tech sights. great little rifles and I have seen many of folks become rifleman with them. I sold the one I owned but loved the tech sight adjustments on it. I will pick one up in the future for sure.
I bought a Marlin 795 recently for my wife who will be attending her first Appleseed this month. I have a Ruger 10/22 based LTR of my own but she complains that its too heavy with the green mountain fluted heavy barrel I have installed on it. I am doing my best to try and outfit the 795 to basic LTR specifications with Tech-Sights and a USGI web sling but one of the features of the 795 I really really dislike is absolutely atrocious stock trigger. I've read some of the previous threads on the 795 and done other googling and I've only come up with three options for dealing with the 795 trigger:
1) Spring kit from http://www.mcarbo.com. This apparently lightens the trigger some but doesn't help with the mushiness and creepiness inherent in the polymer trigger. Somewhat tricky to install, apparently. $30
2) Replacement aluminum trigger guard and trigger from http://www.diproductsinc.com. This just replaces the guard and trigger components and is also somewhat tricky to install. unknown if you can actually combine this with the mcarbo.com springs. Apparently improves trigger pull quite a bit. $65
3) Do nothing and just deal with a crappy trigger.
Of these options, which have people opted for? Has anyone tried the DI products guard and trigger or the mcarbo kit, perhaps even both at the same time? I'm worried that if we stick with the craptastic stock trigger that my wife will become frustrated with results that could have easily been avoided by installing a better trigger.
I went with the mcarbo spring kit. I am a reasonably mechanically inclined guy, but certainly don't work with my hands or have any training. I installed the kit with only minimal difficulty. (One tip: disassemble and re-assemble inside a large clear plastic bag - those tiny retaining clips are murder to find if you launch one). I love the effect on my trigger. Much improved.
I had a good gunsmith do a trigger job on mine and it works great. The charge was only $25, but others may charge more. These two rifles have made many Riflemen.
With the plastic trigger guards you must be careful tightening the screws. If they are too tight the guard will break; too loose and the barrel will become loose in the stock after maybe 3/4 of a day's shooting. But it is easy to keep an eye on it.
Look here and do it yourself. I did mine and it makes riflemen all day long. http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=217
Quote from: perdurabo on September 17, 2012, 05:38:12 PM
I bought a Marlin 795 recently for my wife who will be attending her first Appleseed this month. I have a Ruger 10/22 based LTR of my own but she complains that its too heavy with the green mountain fluted heavy barrel I have installed on it. I am doing my best to try and outfit the 795 to basic LTR specifications with Tech-Sights and a USGI web sling but one of the features of the 795 I really really dislike is absolutely atrocious stock trigger. I've read some of the previous threads on the 795 and done other googling and I've only come up with three options for dealing with the 795 trigger:
1) Spring kit from http://www.mcarbo.com. This apparently lightens the trigger some but doesn't help with the mushiness and creepiness inherent in the polymer trigger. Somewhat tricky to install, apparently. $30
2) Replacement aluminum trigger guard and trigger from http://www.diproductsinc.com. This just replaces the guard and trigger components and is also somewhat tricky to install. unknown if you can actually combine this with the mcarbo.com springs. Apparently improves trigger pull quite a bit. $65
3) Do nothing and just deal with a crappy trigger.
Of these options, which have people opted for? Has anyone tried the DI products guard and trigger or the mcarbo kit, perhaps even both at the same time? I'm worried that if we stick with the craptastic stock trigger that my wife will become frustrated with results that could have easily been avoided by installing a better trigger.
I've had to send my 795 into Marlin two times for proper feeding problems. Customer Service has been very good!
The Marlin 795 has just popped up on Gallery of Guns. 99 available. This could portend good things for the Appleseed LTR. First stock I have seen in a long while.
Per Marlin the first production run is now scheduled for first week of OCT
Mr Fink with Marlin has sent me a verification that the LTR is offcially under production. First run is going through factory now and he forwarded a photo from the factor floor for proof. Look for the rifles to be available through Davidsons soon.
Davidson's page with "stock watch" available for e-mail notification: http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/Default.aspx?item=70677&7
LTR's should be shipping to Davidsons Gallery of Guns this week
Showing 99+ in stock right now. lowest online bid I have is $286.50 picked up at local FFL. That includes fees and taxes.
Ordered mine for $272 and change.