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Road to Rifleman => Rifle / Ammo / Gear => Topic started by: hawkeye on December 02, 2009, 09:46:36 PM

Title: Brass catchers
Post by: hawkeye on December 02, 2009, 09:46:36 PM
This may interest some folks out there. I see advantages and disadvantages to this device, but should be mandatory for G3 type rifles, I still have a knot on my head from the last time I was to the right of one. They even have one for Garands and M14s.
Title: Re: Brass catchers
Post by: kool aid on December 03, 2009, 03:14:01 AM
A brass catcher is kind of like a muzzle break, except less offensive to the guys next to you.

I am still missing a bunch of high frequency hearing from the last time I got stuck next to some #@#$#@$ newbie with a styer scout on the line.

Just shoot berdan and be done with it.

Rifleman's bubble bursters, our hot brass is.

LOL
Title: Re: Brass catchers
Post by: jollynator on December 03, 2009, 10:12:33 AM
QuoteRifleman's bubble bursters, our hot brass is.

My first AS I got pinged by a hot .22 from the 16 year old to the left of me.  Somehow the brass ended up caught between my sling and left inside forearm. :o

Still got the scar. ;D

I guess my bubble was a little hard to burst that day. ^-^
Title: Re: Brass catchers
Post by: Aromatic on December 03, 2009, 10:33:13 AM
Recall that the British code of arms did not have an "aim" command because the regulars didn't like the noise/flash/soot generated by their muskets.  Some Regulars would lean away from their muskets when they fired (to avoid messing up their hair).  As a result, they tended to miss their target.

In contrast, the Americans embraced the report of their muskets, focused on the task at hand, and hit their targets.

Brass/noise is part of shooting a rifle.  I understand desire to segregate noisy/brass throwing rifles but I am not a fan of rifle discrimination.  Being next to a brass thrower or short barreled rifle with a break is great for practicing the bubble.  Proper PPE also helps.
Title: Re: Brass catchers
Post by: J Jessup on December 03, 2009, 11:11:07 AM
I saw one this fall at an AS that was more of deflector.  It was plastic and hung over the ejection port of an AR and directed the brass to a pile next to the shooter.  It was neat and I forgot that I was going to look it up until this post.

Jess
17Chap
Title: Re: Brass catchers
Post by: kool aid on December 03, 2009, 01:53:03 PM
Not hardware guys!

Software!

SOM/SOM!!!!!!

How does this thread relate to the mission? we use shields, deflectors, et al. Does that make us better instructors and shooters?
It's what's between our ears we need to focus on, not the thing in our hands.

Col. David Grossman, On Combat will serve us here.

Title: Re: Brass catchers
Post by: Jules on December 03, 2009, 02:14:24 PM
I have often said that I wish all rifles had brass catchers. All. you can say perhaps my "Rifleman's Bubble" is not done correctly. Sorry, but the "bubble" is not a "force shield" or a "Cone of Silence". I have scars on my arms, back, and hips from hot brass. And most of it is from .22's.

Jules
Title: Re: Brass catchers
Post by: DesertDog on December 03, 2009, 02:56:33 PM
Quote from: kool aid on December 03, 2009, 01:53:03 PM
Not hardware guys!

Software!

SOM/SOM!!!!!!

How does this thread relate to the mission? we use shields, deflectors, et al. Does that make us better instructors and shooters?
It's what's between our ears we need to focus on, not the thing in our hands.

Col. David Grossman, On Combat will serve us here.



Exactly. O0 Having a brass from a Mini-14 stick to your cheek on a hot day isn't fun, but it's a part of what we do.  It's why I load some ammo below specs to induce malfunctions.
Title: Re: Brass catchers
Post by: hawkeye on December 03, 2009, 04:12:14 PM
Ok,  guys I know you guys can take the hot brass down the neck and walked to school barefoot up hill in the snow both ways, but what about first time shooters. We try to put .22s on one side of the line and centerfires on the other to help with the noise and brass problem. Of course it's the shooter on the left that has to have the brass catcher or deflector. One of the nice things about the Army is we had left hand brass deflector that we would put on rifles to help with this problem. We would use them for left and right handed shooters, they didn't get in the way of performing immediate action or clearing the weapon. 
Title: Re: Brass catchers
Post by: SamD on December 03, 2009, 06:54:36 PM
The military developed those deflectors because of a multiple fatality shooting incident on a KD range. A young soldier had some hot brass go down thier shirt in standing, jerked around to the left and emptied the rest  of the mag on FA.

Something to look out for.
We had an incident at the FBR&G shoot in May that might have easily resulted the same way. 
Pay attention to your shooters.

Sam
Title: Re: Brass catchers
Post by: willorith on December 03, 2009, 07:01:40 PM
We had a young lady on the line that felt we were being prudish when we suggested that she cover herself up a little better. When a .308 case rolled down her back and settled into the cleft of her buttocks, she taught some of the old timers a thing or two about cussing. She also gladly accepted the Appleseed T shirt we offered.
Title: Re: Brass catchers
Post by: gunville on December 03, 2009, 07:06:01 PM
Quote from: Aromatic on December 03, 2009, 10:33:13 AM
Recall that the British code of arms did not have an "aim" command because the regulars didn't like the noise/flash/soot generated by their muskets.  Some Regulars would lean away from their muskets when they fired (to avoid messing up their hair).  As a result, they tended to miss their target.

Actually, the British omitted the "Aim" command because it was considered unsporting to "aim" the rifle (er..ah.. musket) at someone in particular - it was to be discharged in the general direction of the enemy.

Hence, it was scandalous that the colonists "aimed" at particular folks (i.e. officers) - it was considered barbaric.

But I think we're diverging.

Hot brass sucks.